lightbulb Rulebook: Potentially misleading and oddly placed passages

28 Aug 2023 23:08 #109199 by Oracle.kid

Advanced rules inserts.

⇒ Rename them to "Detailed rules" insert instead (or something similar).

While inserts are useful for clarity and readability, the use of "Advanced rules" as a title is misleading for new players. A recurring question from new players is "so do you use the advanced rules when you play or just the basic rules?".


Full agree :) regarding the boxes, maybe a general restructure could be considered. At the moment, the boxes often include general information. Perhaps some of these could be explained elsewhere so the boxes could function rather as a reminder instead of an explanation. This could help readers to follow along. Maybe like this (with text between the passages)?

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19 Sep 2023 21:12 #109360 by self biased
now that the new Salubri have dropped, I feel like the scarce rule should be amended to burning pool for only other scarce members of the clan.
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20 Sep 2023 08:06 #109363 by inm8

now that the new Salubri have dropped, I feel like the scarce rule should be amended to burning pool for only other scarce members of the clan.


As far as I know, there is no clan with a mix of scarce and non-scarce vampires....is the change proposed to enable eg Embrace type vampires to not increase the scarce cost for the "regular" vampires?

Scarce: When a Methuselah moves a scarce vampire from their uncontrolled region to their ready region during their influence phase, they must burn 3 pool for each vampire of the same clan they already control.

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20 Sep 2023 14:09 - 20 Sep 2023 14:24 #109368 by self biased

As far as I know, there is no clan with a mix of scarce and non-scarce vampires....is the change proposed to enable eg Embrace type vampires to not increase the scarce cost for the "regular" vampires?


From the BCP Salubri preview:



V5 Salubri are not Scarce. It might also add design space to allow "Scarce" to effectively be used as a tax on more powerful vampires. The rule could easily be updated to read

"Scarce: When a Methuselah moves a scarce vampire from their uncontrolled region to their ready region during their influence phase, they must burn 3 pool for each Scarce vampire of the same clan they already control."
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20 Sep 2023 15:41 #109370 by inm8
I understood what you wanted the rule to read as, was not clear as to why and had missed that the new Salubri aren’t scarce.
Question is if the scarce tax in its current form was balanced with embrace and the likes in mind as at the time there were no mix of scarce and non-scarce vampires of the same clans.

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20 Sep 2023 16:23 #109371 by Lönkka
Well before the current rulebook was published I told BCP that I've done nitpicky rulebook proofreading quite a few times and would be glad to help with VTES rulebook.

Unfortunately they didn't send it to me to be proofread. I'm pretty sure I would've caught at least some of the problematic spots and generally it would've been improved.

My CURRENT suggestion is that WELL BEFORE the release of the NEXT version of the rulebook BCP post the rulebook online and unleash us, the 1000 vampiric monkeys with keyboards, on it.

I'm pretty confident that this way more or less no typos or omissions will make it to the final product.

(The other way to do it is have a small and exclusive group do the same and then release it. AFTER which it'll be scrutinized by the same said 1000 vampiric monkeys with keyboards and some of those monkeys WILL find problematic spots. So why not do it BEFORE the publication...?)


Also pondering:
Does it need to be printed at all? Finetuning / updating just online rulebook would be so much easier...

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