file "As Played" Window Ruling Contradictions?

29 Jul 2012 03:39 #33905 by Dorrinal
I was attempting to answer the question: can a minion with superior Maleficia wake and play Evil Eye to cancel an action? I found the following rules on the rulings page.

Added the above to the original post to make the contradiction clear.

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29 Jul 2012 08:13 #33910 by Ankha

I was attempting to answer the question: can a minion with superior Maleficia wake and play Evil Eye to cancel an action? I found the following rules on the rulings page.

Added the above to the original post to make the contradiction clear.

Answer is: yes.
It's the same as Wake + Rewind Time at [tem].

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29 Jul 2012 12:21 #33914 by Pascal Bertrand
Let's focus on the rulebook:

Some effects can cancel a card "as it is played." These effects (and effects that grant the ability to play them, like Forced Awakening) are the only effects allowed during the "as played" time period of another card. Even drawing to replace cards comes after this time period.

"effects that grant the ability to play them" being effects that read "this minion may play {reaction} cards {as though untapped}". This line in the rulebook has been there for at least 3 years.

Wake with Evening's Freshness + sup' Evil Eye to cancel an action card.
On the Qui Vive + sup' Evil Eye works, but remember that, in the "as played" window, cards aren't replaced (as written in the rulebook and in your first link).
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30 Jul 2012 14:44 #33965 by Dorrinal
Thank you, Pascal. Were you able to verify the source of the undated ruling? And is it possible to clarify the rules page, or somehow note that the ruling has been incorporated into the official rule book?

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31 Jul 2012 03:03 - 31 Jul 2012 03:06 #33981 by er-principe


Wake with Evening's Freshness + sup' Evil Eye to cancel an action card.
On the Qui Vive + sup' Evil Eye works, but remember that, in the "as played" window, cards aren't replaced (as written in the rulebook and in your first link).


So, basically, you if you wake, say, during the "as played" window to cancel a card you will replace a forced awakening only after you play a rewind time (already in your hand) to cancel an action card with it?
Seems rather odd (to replace a card only after playing another card in the
given "as played" window - to better clear to me "as played" should just
correspond to -> "as replaced" with no other utter windows in between)

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31 Jul 2012 04:55 #33984 by Pascal Bertrand


Wake with Evening's Freshness + sup' Evil Eye to cancel an action card.
On the Qui Vive + sup' Evil Eye works, but remember that, in the "as played" window, cards aren't replaced (as written in the rulebook and in your first link).


So, basically, you if you wake, say, during the "as played" window to cancel a card you will replace a forced awakening only after you play a rewind time (already in your hand) to cancel an action card with it?
Seems rather odd (to replace a card only after playing another card in the
given "as played" window - to better clear to me "as played" should just
correspond to -> "as replaced" with no other utter windows in between)

You're not reading it the right way.

Some effects can cancel a card "as it is played." These effects (and effects that grant the ability to play them, like Forced Awakening) are the only effects allowed during the "as played" time period of another card. Even drawing to replace cards comes after this time period.

You can play Forced Awakening, but you won't replace it until after the 'as played' window closes. This is not related to the fact that you have an Evil Eye in your hand.

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