Re: Blood to Water clarification

Timo wrote:

if I understand correctly Rémi question, he wanted to know if the following situation was legal :
Round 1 play IG
Press
Round 2, range is automatically close
Play BtW as a before range.

And I am pretty sure it is an illegal play.

Ankha wrote:

Azog wrote:

When can Blood to Water be played and when does the oposite minion burns the blood?

LSJ: "It can be played any time after range is determined and before
strikes resolve, and only if the range is close."
groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/JUnIGIrb3pw/EOo-cGykdmYJ

The effect is immediate (either burning blood or burning the ally).

Azog wrote:

1st - Blood to Water states that it can only be used at close range and must be used before strike resolution so, it must be played during the strike selection step.

No, it can be played at other moments:

www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/78713-blood-of-water-timing-before-strike-resolution#100237

Azog wrote:

- If the [acting] minion plays [Blood to Water] before he chooses his strike the opposing minion will have to burn his blood before he can choose he's strike?

It is possible.

Azog wrote:

- Can the opposing minion play [Blood to Water] before the [acting] minion selects his strike forcing the [acting] minion to burn blood before he is able to choose his strike?

It is possible.

self wrote:

Timo wrote:

if I understand correctly Rémi question, he wanted to know if the following situation was legal :
Round 1 play IG
Press
Round 2, range is automatically close
Play BtW as a before range.

And I am pretty sure it is an illegal play.

Ankha wrote:

Azog wrote:

When can Blood to Water be played and when does the oposite minion burns the blood?

LSJ: "It can be played any time after range is determined and before
strikes resolve, and only if the range is close."
groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/JUnIGIrb3pw/EOo-cGykdmYJ

The effect is immediate (either burning blood or burning the ally).

Azog wrote:

1st - Blood to Water states that it can only be used at close range and must be used before strike resolution so, it must be played during the strike selection step.

No, it can be played at other moments:

www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/78713-blood-of-water-timing-before-strike-resolution#100237

Azog wrote:

- If the [acting] minion plays [Blood to Water] before he chooses his strike the opposing minion will have to burn his blood before he can choose he's strike?

It is possible.

Azog wrote:

- Can the opposing minion play [Blood to Water] before the [acting] minion selects his strike forcing the [acting] minion to burn blood before he is able to choose his strike?

It is possible.

OK, I see nothing here that says that you can play BtW as a before range.

If I look closely in the googlegroups threads quoted here, the only thing that say that is :

LSJ wrote:

It can be played any time after range is determined and before
strikes resolve, and only if the range is close.

It cannot be played before range is determined (that is, it can
only be played if range is set to close).

The problem I have with this is the fact that elsewhere it is stated quite clearly (I think) :

LSJ wrote:

> If range has been determined to be close as a result of a pre, can you
> play Immortal Prapple(and the like) in the pre-range step?

No.

So which ruling should we follow ?

Even though there is text in the brackets saying, that BtW can only be played if range is set to close, the sentence before states explicitly, that you can't play it before range is determined. So you have to wait until the "before range is determined" window is closed.

From the LSJ quoted earlier in this topic:

> If range is set as a pre. Is it fair to say, "range has been
> determined"?
No.

> Or do you have to wait for the Determine Range Step to be passed,
> whither skipped or not.
You finish "before range stuff" before moving on.

So ecen though range is set, it is not yet determined, since you are in the before range is determined step. This is weird I think, but that's what it is.

Yomyael wrote:

Even though there is text in the brackets saying, that BtW can only be played if range is set to close, the sentence before states explicitly, that you can't play it before range is determined. So you have to wait until the "before range is determined" window is closed.

From the LSJ quoted earlier in this topic:

> If range is set as a pre. Is it fair to say, "range has been
> determined"?
No.

> Or do you have to wait for the Determine Range Step to be passed,
> whither skipped or not.
You finish "before range stuff" before moving on.

So ecen though range is set, it is not yet determined, since you are in the before range is determined step. This is weird I think, but that's what it is.

I see it as you say but I think several people in this thread have interpreted it differently.

I’ve messed up in this thread. I thought the question was more general, and forgot to actually check the text on Blood to Water.

It is played after pre-maneuvers. I’m really sorry for the confusion! It’s as yomyael says.