Time for negotiation after playing a card before terms are set

M.Schumacher wrote:

Just wondering about this.

A player plays Pentex subversion. Is there a window for a discussion/deal making
between playing the card and announcing the target.

Game-wise, no. It would be the same as revealing a card from your hand (which is illegal) and using this advantage ("I'm not bluffing, look") to make some deal.

Now, you could play the card and take enough time before announcing the target to let other players begin to talk about the target, and you answering them, pretending you were about to announce the target. Some player could then call the judge to sort out the situation.

M.Schumacher wrote:

A slighty different question is, is there room between playing a card and
playing sudden reversal for discussion/deal making. (that is in the "as it is played window")

Sure there is.

M.Schumacher wrote:

I know that announcing a cards effect has to be done immediatly after playing a card, even before redrawing (the villein/giants blood example) so im not sure if table talk has room between playing a card and announcing its effects.

It's more strict than that, you have to announce the terms when playing the card, not after playing the card. Of course, in practice, it's not perfectly simultaneous, but it means that the whole "play the card/announce the terms" thing must be done in one batch with no interruption.

Ankha wrote:

Game-wise, no. It would be the same as revealing a card from your hand (which is illegal) and using this advantage ("I'm not bluffing, look") to make some deal.

You are not revealing the card from your hand, you are actually playing it, so no way to take it back. Quite a difference.

In my opinion forbidding talk/deals between putting the card down and announcing the target will simply slow down the game. In the current common practice where talk is usually done probably someone will offer a deal, but if no one wants to no time is wasted. Consider a change where all playing cards and announcing targets is atomic then people will gradually change to asking questions before they play anything, heck I might even start to talk to anyone who even touches a card in their hand during their Master Phase. "Hey I see you want to play a Master Card, if that is a P.S and you target this guy I offer you this, but if it is a Vampire Disease then ...". Perfectly legal but absolutely nonsensical and time-wasting.

Talking playing/announcement of cards we should work on players actually correctly announcing what they are playing as a first step