Camaraderie played by Angelo and Mata Hari
23 May 2023 06:27 #108148
by Bloodartist
In the discord it was pointed out that this interpretation means that the Shard, only affects master cards, since it uses the text "you".
Name: The Shard, London
[FoL:1]
Cardtype: Master
Cost: 2 pool
Unique location.
If you have the Edge, you can lock this card to reduce the cost of a card you play by 2 pool or blood. Vampires can steal this location as a
action; Ventrue get +1 stealth during that action.
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Replied by Bloodartist on topic Camaraderie played by Angelo and Mata Hari
So basically, "you can play cards as if..." only matters for master cards you play. "She can play cards as if..." only matters for minion cards she plays.
In the discord it was pointed out that this interpretation means that the Shard, only affects master cards, since it uses the text "you".
Name: The Shard, London
[FoL:1]
Cardtype: Master
Cost: 2 pool
Unique location.
If you have the Edge, you can lock this card to reduce the cost of a card you play by 2 pool or blood. Vampires can steal this location as a
action; Ventrue get +1 stealth during that action.Artist: Felipe Headley
A heretic is a man who sees with his own eyes.
—Gotthold Ephraim Lessing
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23 May 2023 07:02 - 23 May 2023 07:04 #108149
by inm8
Is card text saying “Only usable by X”and “Requires X” equivalent to requirement X on the attribute bar when it comes “Y can play cards as if meeting X”?
[ANK20221102]
Does this mean The Shard can only be used when “you” play master cards and isn’t applicable to minion cards?
Replied by inm8 on topic Camaraderie played by Angelo and Mata Hari
2/ the card doesn't require a Blood Brother to play (no clan symbol in the requirement bar, doesn't state "only usable by a Blood Brother").
Is card text saying “Only usable by X”and “Requires X” equivalent to requirement X on the attribute bar when it comes “Y can play cards as if meeting X”?
Does this mean that the below ruling is reversed?So basically, "you can play cards as if..." only matters for master cards you play. "She can play cards as if..." only matters for minion cards she plays.
[ANK20221102]
Does this mean The Shard can only be used when “you” play master cards and isn’t applicable to minion cards?
The Shard, London
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23 May 2023 14:17 - 23 May 2023 14:20 #108151
by Ankha
The Shard on the other hand doesn't bother about requirements, it reduces the cost of cards you (or your minions) play.
Meeting requirements to play a card and paying the cost are two different things.
Replied by Ankha on topic Camaraderie played by Angelo and Mata Hari
No, this is a wrong interpretation. Minion cards are indeed both played by the Methuselah and the minion. Camaraderie is played by both you and Angelo. However, since Mata Hari isn't playing the card, she doesn't interact with any of it since requirements to play a card can only be met by the minion playing the card (here: Angelo).
So basically, "you can play cards as if..." only matters for master cards you play. "She can play cards as if..." only matters for minion cards she plays.
In the discord it was pointed out that this interpretation means that the Shard, only affects master cards, since it uses the text "you".
The Shard on the other hand doesn't bother about requirements, it reduces the cost of cards you (or your minions) play.
Meeting requirements to play a card and paying the cost are two different things.
Yes, since it put a restriction on whether the card can be played and by whom.
2/ the card doesn't require a Blood Brother to play (no clan symbol in the requirement bar, doesn't state "only usable by a Blood Brother").
Is card text saying “Only usable by X”and “Requires X” equivalent to requirement X on the attribute bar when it comes “Y can play cards as if meeting X”?
No, see above.
Does this mean that the below ruling is reversed?So basically, "you can play cards as if..." only matters for master cards you play. "She can play cards as if..." only matters for minion cards she plays.
[ANK20221102]
Does this mean The Shard can only be used when “you” play master cards and isn’t applicable to minion cards?
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