Camaraderie played by Angelo and Mata Hari

inm8 wrote:

The below question was asked in the discord which lead to some discussion and would be good to have an official ruling.

Can Camaraderie be played at superior by Angelo when the only other supporting vampire is Mata Hari that is unlocked? If not, please elaborate as to why not, thanks.

No. Mata Hari is not considered a BB by Camaraderie since 1/ she's not playing the card 2/ the card doesn't require a Blood Brother to play (no clan symbol in the requirement bar, doesn't state "only usable by a Blood Brother").

inm8 wrote:

As per my interpretation, it is playable with the below rationale:

Angelo and you as the Methuselah play Camaraderie at as it has been ruled that minion cards are played by both and not just the minion --> ruling
The requirements of Camaraderie "Only usable if you control another ready unlocked Blood Brother of the same circle as this Blood Brother.

It is not a requirement that a minion must meet in order to play the card, it is what we could call a "game state requirement" such as having a valid target when you play a card that requires one. The requirement to play the card for the minion is Sanguinus, and Angelo is meeting that requirement to play the card.
Controlling another ready unlocked BB is another requirement, but that does not apply to the minion playing the card, so it doesn't interact with Mata Hari's ability.
For instance, you couldn't use the burn option of the card if it had one if you control a vampire with Sanguinus but no other ready unlocked BB.

So basically, "you can play cards as if..." only matters for master cards you play. "She can play cards as if..." only matters for minion cards she plays.

inm8 wrote:

Mata Hari´s special allows her to be seen as a Blood Brother (that is in a unique "circle of one") as the card is played by "you" aka the Methuselah

Mata Hari isn't playing that card in order to mimick the clan (and it doesn't require a BB anyway).

The rest doesn't matter.

ReverendRevolver wrote:

I'd say no, because:
Mata Hari can count as a ready, unlocked blood brother, but the whole circle bit is not an innate trait applied by the rules to all blood Brothers. Just like Flight isn't applied to Clan Impetsonated Gargoyles, Infernal to impersonated Baali, or scarce to an impersonated Abomination/Trujah/Salubri/nagaraja, Mata Hari counts as a Blood Brother, but doesn't have a circle.

Compare with New Blood: if you summon history at superior for a new blood, or undue influence it up, or any other method of putting it in play that doesn't happen during influence phase, it has no circle.

Circle is not innate and therefore Mata has no circle.

The default is that every vampire without an explicit circle has an implicit distinct circle (distinct = no vampire can have that same circle).
Angelo can "join" any circle for the purpose of the resolution of a card played by another BB, but it's a unique ability.