Limit master cards?

Reyda wrote:

So, for something not already said

Still trying to be ironic?

Rushing or banishing Nana or Anson should not be so difficult, is it ?

Banishment works great, especially if they abuse Villein. Rushing might not be so easy if they fight back. They are both highly vulnerable to ranged aggravated damage, though.

Stealing a parthenon or destroying it is not so difficult, is it ?

That is another minor problem with the game: the existing actions that target locations suck. Arson is fine as a disciplineless action (that is, to use as a last resort only), but where is the better stuff we should get with disciplines? Rampage? You get to replace it, great. Haunt? You can also use it to protect your own location that nobody will ever try to destroy (see point 1: actions that target locations suck). Dominate Kine is better (at least it is flexible), but not all decks can afford the 2 blood cost. If for example had a rush/burn location card, burning the Parthenon would be a much more viable option.

Also burning the Parthenon is like suddening a Villein: it only works in the short term, so you need the quick ousting power that goes with it if you want to benefit from it. Contesting or stealing it will hurt the MMPA deck much more.

Rushing Nana/Cybele/Anson is basically rolling the dice on card draws. Combat is weighted against minion-removal (the different combat mechanics make it harder to torpor your opponent than it is for them to avoid your strike).

All of the main "+MPA" vampires have . Majesty, Charismatic Aura, Staredown and Catatonic Fear all easily weigh in on the side of defence. And since there is basically one major counter to those cards Immortal Grapple (because basically NOBODY uses Thoughts Betrayed for a combat deck unless it's some elaborate trick) is countered by Charismatic Aura (which saves Anson). Even if they don't go down the abusive road, Nana & Cybele have and it has one of the most efficient short-chain combat modules Crows + Bats.

Killing these minions requires a lot more than just a passing "Oh hey, I put in Coma to catch some unlucky dude by surprise" or "Mostly I punch for 1 or 2... but there is a Burning Wrath or two in here...".

If we are going to punish the MMPA decks, lets do it by creating new Minions that can interfere with people's master card plays. I'm not saying every second vampire needs to be printed with Rewind Time grafted on... but we should start trying to be CREATIVE not PUNITIVE. Expand the options, rather than limit options.

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

Rushing Nana/Cybele/Anson is basically rolling the dice on card draws. Combat is weighted against minion-removal (the different combat mechanics make it harder to torpor your opponent than it is for them to avoid your strike).

All of the main "+MPA" vampires have . Majesty, Charismatic Aura, Staredown and Catatonic Fear all easily weigh in on the side of defence. And since there is basically one major counter to those cards Immortal Grapple (because basically NOBODY uses Thoughts Betrayed for a combat deck unless it's some elaborate trick) is countered by Charismatic Aura (which saves Anson). Even if they don't go down the abusive road, Nana & Cybele have and it has one of the most efficient short-chain combat modules Crows + Bats.

Ok, but nobody plays psyche anymore ? Isn't it time to try to play thoughts betrayed again, by the way, since it trumps those new strategies ??
To be honnest I saw people playing Charismatic aura over majesty, but it was 6 years ago ? Now they just stopped because the metagame has shifted towards Thaumaturgy or animalism fighters -so they can S:ce an escape all problems.

Actually there are plenty of cards to cancel a strike -including cards that look stupid at first glance, like Botched move (which gives tasty GW against those very annoying 20+ earthmeld deck) or prevent certain disciplines to be played...

Another good news is : Anson can run out of majesties. Especially if his master's hand is full of master cards Just play haven uncovered more often ?
If nobody changes the way he plays, then the problem will stay forever, as well as the complaints.