Limit master cards?

brandonsantacruz wrote:

If you truly hate something and don't meta against it, it is no one's fault but yours.

That is the problem: I do meta. We do meta. It´s just not enough!

Sure I can build a rush-deck that build a crater around me and someone cross table win the game.

Sure I can play 10+ Sudden/Wash and Bleeding in each deck - the MMPA-player just laughs, as I make my chances of winning against other decks zero AND he still has 2-3 MMPA:s left after my Sudden.

Sure I play Uncoiling in each deck. Sure I play Erciyes Fragments a lot.

Do you play in a abusive meta at all?

Szewski wrote:

I saw this kind of conversation few times when it goes about:
pentex, anthelios, lilith's blessing, tupdogs...even direct int...

If you combare Pentex or LB with MMPA you don´t really understand much about this.

Szewski wrote:

Personally I think that there is no need to ban or change some master cards or change master phase. Everything is in every player hands, so "good" players can handle with ashur/liq/villein combo (whatever), "bad" players will always complain (I don't want to offend anybody, but I see that we like to talk about cards, not about some ways of play or some solutions...)

But yet, that is what you do, offend people. I have talked to just about every top player in Sweden, and some others, on this subject - all agree that MMPA:s are very, very strong and that the problem should be adressed _in some way_. So the "bad players"-talk just don´t work this time.

The more I read on this forum, the more I think the problem is that most people don´t play in what I call a "abusive meta", where people play to win, at any cost. The design team/IC/whoever has the power over this game nowadays, have to take the most competitive environment in account (as well as others) when they make decisions. The design team has stated "We are not making "hosers."" - that is why I suggest some kind of rules changes instead.

(As a sidenote, it would be interesting to know why Ashur Tablets was ever printed. All these remarks about who they finally make combat decks playable AND that no combat decks can be played without Tablets makes me worried. I don´t know if the KoT-NDA:s has expired, maybe someone can shed some light on this matter?)

Izaak wrote:

Yes, by now we know you don't have Ashur Tablets. Really.

"Arguments" like this really don´t help you, if you´re interested in a serious discussion.

vtesocrates wrote:

If you don't like that example, pick another. Tupdogs were supposedly unbeatable. The same was said of Khazar's Diary decks or really whatever Orian Gissler was playing for a while.

How/why should I pick these other examples, if I don´t think they are adequate for comparison? Khazar´s is strong. Tupdogs create a crater. This has nothing to do with MMPA:s and generic recursion.