obf dom ghoul

A heavy rush-combat deck is a problem for all kind of decks in the game. It is not an argument to say that a concept is not playable. Also, rush combat decks have well known weaknesses such as multiple targets at the same time.

This deck can have serious problems against carna and weenie , but that's life.


I thought I could use LB on every vampire. you can use it to put OBF faster on vamps.

v2 :

Deck Name: obf dom war ghoul
Author:
Description:
villein + LB on OBF\r\nretainers bleed\r\nwar ghoul\r\nwin

Crypt (Capacity min=2 max=6 avg=4.5; 12 cards)
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3x Ana Rita Montaña 5 aus dom obf VIC Tzimisce:3
2x Black Lotus 5 aus obf ser DOM Follower of Set:4
1x Catherine du Bois 5 for obf pre DOM Ventrue:3
1x Guedado 4 aus obf vic Tzimisce:4
1x Halim Bey 6 obf tha DOM SER Follower of Set:4
1x Jackson Asher 2 dom Ventrue:4
1x Keith Moody 3 DOM !Tremere:4
1x Louis Fortier 5 aus dom for obf pre Ventrue:4
1x Robin Withers 4 dom obf pre Ventrue:4

Library (60 cards)
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Master (14 cards)
1x Charisma
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Jake Washington (Hunter)
2x Lilith's Blessing
2x Obfuscate
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
5x Villein

Event (2 cards)
2x Unmasking, The

Action (4 cards)
4x Govern the Unaligned

Ally (10 cards)
1x Amam the Devourer (Bane Mummy)
1x Asanbonsam Ghoul
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
1x Ossian
1x Political Ally
1x Procurer
1x Vagabond Mystic
3x War Ghoul

Retainer (5 cards)
1x Ghoul Escort
1x J. S. Simmons, Esq.
1x Jackie Therman
1x Mr. Winthrop
1x Tasha Morgan

Action Modifier (17 cards)
2x Cloak the Gathering
6x Conditioning
2x Forgotten Labyrinth
5x Lost in Crowds
2x Veil the Legions

Reaction (6 cards)
4x Deflection
1x Delaying Tactics
1x On the Qui Vive

Combat (2 cards)
2x Trap

Created with Secret Library v0.9.4a. (Mar 2, 2013 20:09:23)


Is it better now?

aria wrote:

A heavy rush-combat deck is a problem for all kind of decks in the game. It is not an argument to say that a concept is not playable. Also, rush combat decks have well known weaknesses such as multiple targets at the same time.

Well, yes, except that :
* it's a lot more weak to rush than a lot of deck, because your ally production is relatively slow and easy to shut down, and you don't have other defense (well, except the ghoul retainer).
* the deck isn't exceptionaly strong otherwise, because it devote 1/3 of the deck to ally and have vampire comparatively big for their discipline, especially the tzimisce one
* despite that, a lot of classic defensive card work very well : bleed redirection, majesty, and ally stealing all work as expected and can cause you huge troubles.

aria wrote:

I thought I could use LB on every vampire. you can use it to put OBF faster on vamps.

You can, but only once per vampire, and only when they are empty. If your predator put a bit of pressure, you won't have more than two vampire in play for a long time, since thoses ally are all costly and you don't have a lot of defensive power.

Ohlmann wrote:

The problem is before he start recruiting the War ghoul Once again, he only have 4 tzimisces, and they may very well not be the first thing recruited, so there is plenty time for other deck to prepare.

And all the non-war ghoul ally die to something as simple as aid + carrion. So the non-war ghoul ally can't protect effectively against rush (while being efficient at other thing ; I am not saying that Ossian is a bad ally for example)

If the prey is a rush deck, you throw down whatever allies you have and bleed for 5 at stealth. It doesn't matter if your Ossian eats Crows, you still get the one or two extra turns you need to oust. I think you're underestimating the kind of minion advantage this deck can produce.

Last problem : in addition to not have wake, the deck cannot intercept something at +2 stealth or more, which is unusual but can be seen. Stolen war ghoul are no fun, and yet again the deck ain't particulary speedy at recruiting ally.

I agree that Entrancement is something that should be addressed. While your other points are not irrelevant I feel all of them can be answered by tuning the deck to be more effective at what it does through testing.

aria wrote:

v2 :

Is it better now?

Have you thought about a few more Jakes? You have 7 allies/retainers that he could start recruiting on turn 1.

This deck looks very unstable. Why dom obf with Tzimisce? they already have access to stealth and bleed (deep song, changeling...)
if you want stealth bleed with ally combat, is it not easier to go with shambling giovanni or corpse samedi?