file Toreador gun deck

10 Nov 2017 16:37 #84205 by schabowski
Replied by schabowski on topic Re: Toreador gun deck
I modified the deck.
Maybe Villein could really be reduced.
This is the updated deck list:

Crypt (12 cards; Capacity min=3 max=10 avg=8)
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4x Anneke 10 dom AUS CEL PRE Toreador:1
1x Dorian Strack 4 cel AUS Toreador:1
1x Felicia Mostrom 5 pre AUS CEL Toreador:1
2x François Villon 10 chi obf pot AUS CEL PRE Toreador:2
3x Marcellus 8 pro AUS CEL Toreador:2
1x Zöe 3 cel obf AUS Malkavian:2

Library (90 cards)
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Master (19)
1x Art Museum
1x Direct Intervention
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Erciyes Fragments, The
1x Giant's Blood
2x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Powerbase: Montreal
1x Rack, The
1x Smiling Jack, The Anarch
2x Vessel
5x Villein
1x Wider View

Event (1)
1x Dragonbound

Political Action (2)
2x Parity Shift

Equipment (8)
7x .44 Magnum
1x Bowl of Convergence

Ally (1)
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)

Reaction (29)
6x Eyes of Argus
2x My Enemy's Enemy
3x On the Qui Vive
3x Quicken Sight
9x Second Tradition: Domain
6x Telepathic Misdirection

Combat (30)
4x Blur
7x Concealed Weapon
4x Psyche!
6x Pursuit
5x Side Strike
4x Taste of Vitae

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11 Nov 2017 05:34 #84216 by ReverendRevolver
Some may argue, but I've found the"magic formula" to be one less concealed weapon than guns in cel gun decks.

Your master mix needs Fame and tension. I'd add a few rushes, maybe one intimidation.

Combat mix needs sideslip, not side strike.

Looks like you're close.

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02 Dec 2017 14:35 #84439 by schabowski
Replied by schabowski on topic Re: Toreador gun deck
Ok, here ist the next version of my deck.
Now, I have 7 magnums and 6 concealed weapons in 90 cards.
Maybe it is enough, but I am really no sure.
I only have 2 Dreams of the Sphinx to cycle cards.
Maybe The Barrens is really needed.
I could use Aura Reading or Infernal Pursuit, but maybe it is only useful by adding Anson and Ashur Tablets. And you first have to go to combat and then you get the additional cards, so it is risky to get your first gun on a vampire by using this cards. Maybe Dreams of the Sphinx and The Barrens are more useful, but they are definitely slower.
Before getting the first gun, I only have 4 Sideslip to survive combat. Im not sure that's enough.
I could also add Tension in the Ranks and/or Fame, but maybe Dragonbound is better if I play an intercept-combat-control-deck ? Maybe Rush-cards are needed when playing Fame, but I have no space to include them and it might be a different deck.
I also have to test if Wider View and/or Smiling Jack are really needed.
Maybe 4 Villein are enough ? I have vampires with high capacity and the guns cost 2 pool but it is hard to get back blood onto the vampires. I only play 4 Taste of Vitae, no Society H.G and no Papillon.
Entrancement could be cool, but I don't find space for it.

Crypt (12 cards; Capacity min=3 max=10 avg=8)
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4x Anneke 10 dom AUS CEL PRE Toreador:1
1x Dorian Strack 4 cel AUS Toreador:1
1x Felicia Mostrom 5 pre AUS CEL Toreador:1
2x François Villon 10 chi obf pot AUS CEL PRE Toreador:2
3x Marcellus 8 pro AUS CEL Toreador:2
1x Zöe 3 cel obf AUS Malkavian:2

Library (90 cards)
==================
Master (19)
1x Art Museum
1x Direct Intervention
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Erciyes Fragments, The
1x Giant's Blood
2x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Powerbase: Montreal
1x Rack, The
1x Smiling Jack, The Anarch
2x Vessel
5x Villein
1x Wider View

Event (1)
1x Dragonbound

Political Action (2)
2x Parity Shift

Equipment (8)
7x .44 Magnum
1x Bowl of Convergence

Ally (1)
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)

Reaction (29)
6x Eyes of Argus
2x My Enemy's Enemy
3x On the Qui Vive
3x Quicken Sight
9x Second Tradition: Domain
6x Telepathic Misdirection

Combat (30)
4x Blur
6x Concealed Weapon
5x Psyche!
7x Pursuit
4x Sideslip
4x Taste of Vitae

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03 Dec 2017 13:18 #84453 by ReverendRevolver
Most ratios seem ok, but you do nothing forward. Single jack looks like your oust mechanism. Maybe drop one each of fragments, villein, telepathic misdirection, on q, quicken sight to add jack, Fame and maybe rush? Like nose of hound and generic bums rush.

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03 Dec 2017 15:22 - 03 Dec 2017 15:23 #84454 by Boris The Blade
-Carlton
+Enkil Cog

Carlton does not bring anything, and you have neither the pool nor actions to spare for him. Even if you do not use the out-of-turn action, Enkil Cog is still a free permanent +1 bleed.

-4 Blur
+2 Psyche
+2 Pursuit

In general, you will suffer much more for lacking a press or maneuver when you need one than for having only 1 additional strike. Besides, your need you blood for Villeins and reactions, you don't want to spend it on combat cards.
Last edit: 03 Dec 2017 15:23 by Boris The Blade.

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