file Toreador gun deck

25 Oct 2014 12:59 #66950 by ReverendRevolver

for me there are two best approaches for torreador gun deck. When is Anneke wall by Tomasz Izydorczyk - www.veknfrance.com/decks/twd.htm#2013wslfwp
and the other Anson infernal pursuit - f.e. www.veknfrance.com/decks/twd.htm#2013psbp


For me, the infernal pursuit angle was too cheesy. Felt like playing a combo deck, but without some big deathstar payoff.

The princes celerity guns tablets deck Marcin Watras won with in 2010 made me add ashurs to my Anson deck(before it was all about extra blood dolls and havens coming out with fame and tension)
www.secretlibrary.info/index.php?deck=view&id=4757

Still one of the better ashur builds Ive seen, honestly.

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05 Nov 2014 19:42 #67239 by schabowski
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I updated my deck lists, here are some of my (and your) ideas:

- At the moment it is with group 1 and 2 vampires without princes/justicars, probably with princes/justicars and with 2nd Tradition it might be better...
- CEL ist more important than AUS, so I changed the crypt a little bit.
- At the moment the vampires have capacity 5-7, one could add other vampires with lower/higher capacity like Sarah Brando, Lachlan ...
- I changed the master cards in the following way (more focussed):
-1 D.I., -1 Giant's Blood, -1 Sudden Reversal,
+1 Heaven Uncovered, +1 Pentex Subversion
- Now there are 6 Toreador Anti in the deck, I could add 1 Fetish Club H.G, but I think, it is better to spend the 2 pool for 44 magnums.
- I play with 1 Bowl of Convergence, so I could think about intercept-locations, but I think, it is better to spend the 2 pool for 44 magnums.
- I keep the 6 Blood Doll and no Villein/Minion Tap, because it works better with The Rack and Taste of Vitae. Vessel is not better, because I need the pool fast to buy the 44 magnums.
- Quicken Sight/Enhances Senses could be 5/3, instead of 4/4, I have to test it.
- Telepathic Misdirection/My Enemy's Enemy could be 6/0 instead of 5/1, I have to test it.
- I replaces Nose of the Hound by Fleetness, it could fit better but costs 1 blood, I have to test it.
- Does Smiling Jack really fit to this deck or better Tension in the Ranks/Dragonbound or another card? Smiling Jack must be defended but my intercept-package could be too small.
- Maybe Concealed Weapon/44er 8/8 works better than 7/7, but I don't find space for it.
- If I found some space, I would add the following cards:
+1 Bum's Rush, +1 Blur, +1 Taste of Vitae, +1 Eagle's Sight.

Here is my updated deck list:

Vampires (12):
2 Victor Revell, Loyalist, cap 5, aus, CEL, pre
2 Felicia Mostrom, cap 5, AUS, CEL, pre
2 Rigby, Crusade Vanguard, cap 5, aus, CEL, PRE
2 Kallista, Master Sculptor, cap 6, AUS, CEL, pre
2 Greta Kircher, cap 7, AUS, CEL, PRE
2 Jessica, cap 7, AUS, CEL, PRE

Library (90):
Master Cards (14):
6 Blood Doll
2 Dreams of the Sphinx
1 Fame
1 Haven Uncovered
1 Pentex(TM) Subversion
1 Powerbase Montreal
1 Rack, The
1 Smiling Jack, the Anarch

Action Cards (9):
3 Bum's Rush
2 Entrancement
2 Fleetness
2 Heart of the City

Combo (2):
2 Resist Earth's Grasp

Combat Cards (29):
2 Blur
7 Concealed Weapon
8 Psyche!
8 Pursuit
4 Taste of Vitae

Reaction Cards (26):
2 Eagle's Sight
4 Enhanced Senses
5 Eyes of Argus
1 My Enemy's Enemy
5 On the Qui Vive
4 Quicken Sight
5 Telepathic Misdirection

Action Modifier(2):
2 Aire of Elation

Equipments(8):
7 44 Magnum
1 Bowl of Convergence

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06 Nov 2014 00:11 - 06 Nov 2014 00:27 #67244 by ReverendRevolver
-1:
Quicken sight
Concealed
Entrancement

-2
Fleetness
Enhanced senses
+
3-4 sideip
2 nose of hound(or any action not called fleetness)
Zephyr(I feel like after a heart of the city is equipped, Id want to block you alot)

Id add 1-2 brando instead of 2x each 7 cap. One each would be fine, you arent enchanting down to them.

Enhanced senses and one tele misdirection could probabpy be rushes. And one blood doll should become tension.
This deck wins the threeway, and is aggressive enough to deal with aggro stuff early. Big bleeders are yoir dream prey.toys with them, then drop them and oust them and your grandprey.

To answer questions, tension and fame need to be here because you are a combat wall. Jack can be there on because youre a wall. Ousting power in the threeway matters alot, all aboit attrition. Dragonbound is good, but this deck might regret it or discard it. Youll have out 3-4 vamps. 44 ratio needs to be one more gun than conceals, and your 7 guns is good for routinely getting guns on each of 3-4 dudes. 6-7 is good for 2-3, and 7-8 only 5+. This way, you draw extra later and arm who you have to early.

On HG, no. Blood doll is cool, vessel is better at pool depriving, and you remove blood too. Id go 36 combat cards, and youre missing sideslip, but another blur could be neat. Drop imtercept or on the q for room.
Last edit: 06 Nov 2014 00:27 by ReverendRevolver.

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07 Nov 2014 20:20 #67307 by schabowski
Replied by schabowski on topic Re: Toreador gun deck
Ok, I will have a look at your advices.

What about Abbot?
Yes, maybe I should include Sideslip and maybe Sidestrike?

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07 Nov 2014 23:13 #67310 by ReverendRevolver

Ok, I will have a look at your advices.

What about Abbot?
Yes, maybe I should include Sideslip and maybe Sidestrike?


No sidestrike, sideslip is a,celerity guns staple to stop ivory bow and Carna from making you her bitch (or any number of agg strikes or things to dodge) . Abbot is a maybe, if you include Brando, yes. Especially if a Kallista and1 7cap become 2 Sarah Brando. Now, im not sure what to remove, other than maybe another reaction card.

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08 Nov 2014 19:08 - 08 Nov 2014 19:13 #67312 by schabowski
Replied by schabowski on topic Re: Toreador gun deck
I want to keep 2 Entrancement, the card ist very good.
Now, I have 92 cards and very less intercept.
What can I change?
What about one less Dreams of the Sphinx, Pentex?

Ok, the new deck-list:

Vampires (12):
2 Sarah Brando, cap 3, CEL
2 Victor Revell, Loyalist, cap 5, aus, CEL, pre
2 Felicia Mostrom, cap 5, AUS, CEL, pre
2 Rigby, Crusade Vanguard, cap 5, aus, CEL, PRE
1 Kallista, Master Sculptor, cap 6, AUS, CEL, pre
2 Greta Kircher, cap 7, AUS, CEL, PRE
1 Jessica, cap 7, AUS, CEL, PRE

Library (92):
Master Cards (15):
5 Blood Doll
2 Dreams of the Sphinx
1 Fame
2 Haven Uncovered
1 Pentex(TM) Subversion
1 Powerbase Montreal
1 Rack, The
1 Smiling Jack, the Anarch
1 Tension in the Ranks

Action Cards (10):
1 Abbot
5 Bum's Rush
2 Entrancement
2 Heart of the City

Combo (2):
2 Resist Earth's Grasp

Combat Cards (33):
3 Blur
6 Concealed Weapon
8 Psyche!
8 Pursuit
3 Sideslip
5 Taste of Vitae

Reaction Cards (22):
2 Eagle's Sight
2 Enhanced Senses
5 Eyes of Argus
1 My Enemy's Enemy
4 On the Qui Vive
3 Quicken Sight
5 Telepathic Misdirection

Action Modifier(2):
2 Aire of Elation

Equipments(8):
7 44 Magnum
1 Bowl of Convergence
Last edit: 08 Nov 2014 19:13 by schabowski.

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