Card idea: Montano (Lasombra Inner Circle member)

And alek, the reason I gave him so few disciplines is because the special ability, 4 votes, +1 stealth and +1 bleed was sooo bloody strong as it is.

He's 11 cap after all and should be powerfull. Compare Arika, Stanislava, Saulot, Enkidu, etc. and you'll see all powerfull vampires with good specials and a lot of disciplines

Fuck montano, Lasombra already have too much non-sabbat vampires, adding another one would be bad for the game and waste of space.

I can't agree, in the World of Darkness, with the possible exception of Lucita who was fairly prominent in the clan novels and such, Montano is *THE* Lasombra antitribu...

No, Giangaleazzo was THE lasombra antitribu, and he is already in the game. There are already 2 lasombra antitribu and the are RARE. No need for another one. Screw Montano the Loser.

Lech wrote:

No, Giangaleazzo was THE lasombra antitribu, and he is already in the game. There are already 2 lasombra antitribu and the are RARE. No need for another one. Screw Montano the Loser.

You're over emotional about this. Really.
How you write about Montano is how I talk about , with my friends and just for giggles. Not in a place where people don't know me. This is just a game where people have fun, man.

Besides, get your facts straight, please.
There is another famous antitribu in London, at least. Montano was a founder of the Camarilla and by far the most competent of the "Sith of the Kindred". Maybe because he thought and acted so outside of his clan's mainstream.
Way before the Anarch Revolt, he was one of the creators of a treaty between elders in Europe that named Justicars to keep peace and deliver justice from which there was no appeal. That treaty was signed by Mithras, Hardestadt, Montano, Saliana, amongst others.
It enforced the 6 Traditions of Via Regalis (Road of Kings) that later became Camarilla Law. This was before 1230. [Road of Kings, page 77].

clans have hundreds of antitribus - in fact, they are so many, they have their own clans in this game.

About his card: I suggest
He's the most proficient vampire in (besides the Antediluvian), so he could have that +1 Stealth, although in a vampire with that's kinda dangerous.
Since the Paths of Enlightenment in the cardgame are to cheapen discipline use and he was a master of the Road of Kings, maybe his special could be:
Lasombra Camarilla Inner Circle: Cards that require Dominate cost Montano 1 less blood. +2 Strength. +1 Bleed.

Cheers!
Tiago

Brum wrote:

Lech wrote:

No, Giangaleazzo was THE lasombra antitribu, and he is already in the game. There are already 2 lasombra antitribu and the are RARE. No need for another one. Screw Montano the Loser.

You're over emotional about this. Really.
How you write about Montano is how I talk about , with my friends and just for giggles. Not in a place where people don't know me. This is just a game where people have fun, man.

Besides, get your facts straight, please.
There is another famous antitribu in London, at least. Montano was a founder of the Camarilla and by far the most competent of the "Sith of the Kindred". Maybe because he thought and acted so outside of his clan's mainstream.
Way before the Anarch Revolt, he was one of the creators of a treaty between elders in Europe that named Justicars to keep peace and deliver justice from which there was no appeal. That treaty was signed by Mithras, Hardestadt, Montano, Saliana, amongst others.
It enforced the 6 Traditions of Via Regalis (Road of Kings) that later became Camarilla Law. This was before 1230. [Road of Kings, page 77].

clans have hundreds of antitribus - in fact, they are so many, they have their own clans in this game.

About his card: I suggest
He's the most proficient vampire in (besides the Antediluvian), so he could have that +1 Stealth, although in a vampire with that's kinda dangerous.
Since the Paths of Enlightenment in the cardgame are to cheapen discipline use and he was a master of the Road of Kings, maybe his special could be:
Lasombra Camarilla Inner Circle: Cards that require Dominate cost Montano 1 less blood. +2 Strength. +1 Bleed.

Cheers!
Tiago

Camarilla clans have hundred of antitribu, Lasombra have just a few of them. Camarilla clans have (lets say brujah)

In group 1 - 15 camarilla vampires
In group 2 - 9 camarilla vampires 1 independent
In group 3 - 17 camarilla vampires 1 independent
In group 4 - 11 camarilla vampires 1 independent
In group 5 - 11 camarilla vampires

Not to mention their antitribu, 41 vampires divided between 3 groups (2 in 5th).

Lasombra have:

In group 1 - 0 vampires
In group 2 - 15 sabbat vampires 1 independent
In group 3 - 9 sabbat vampires
In group 4 - 12 sabbat vampires 2 laibon 1 camarilla
In group 5 - 2 sabbat vampires

Not to mention they have their antitribu already included.

So consider g3-4, Brujah have 28 camarilla vampires, 2 independent, 23 sabbat. Lasombra have 21 sabbat (less than brujah), 2 laibon and 1 camarilla.

As you can see, Lasombra have no space for Montano in G4-5 unless they will have 50-53 vampires in that grouping, not 17 like they currently have.