Submission - Delusions of Grandeur (anti-villein vote moves back pool to vampires)

Ankha wrote:

And isn't that necessary. Getting him back from 21 to 9 makes his oust much more easy and slows him down a lot.

But you do have the very real chance that the vote do nothing on the long run.

It will work as intended if the prey was able to use every Villein he draw optimally without this vote.

It will stop working (as in, the work you have done will be entirely undone) as soon as he have both a spare (trifle) MPA and a spare villein / minion tap.

Why can't it just target a vampire with a villein? Its permanent. I think this cards a good concept, but dangerous due to the amount of pool it can move.

why not simply make it an action ?
like:
D action.
Unique
Put this card on a titled vampire of the same sect.
during his untap phase, the vampire with this card gains 5 blood from his methuselah's pool. Any blood in excess of his capacity goes back to that methuselah's pool. this card is then removed from the game/burned


would it be more balanced ?

Low and mid caps don't need any more reasons to be better. Let the pool slough off into the blood bank.

Personally I'd like more minion card ways to gain/regain pool. And something within discipline for votes would be nice, so as the PRE stranglehold can eventually be loosened. If you keep this "Gird Minion" direction make it an act mod or reaction and throw it into an aggro discipline.

Death Threats
Reaction
pot: If this referendum will effect you or cards you control, the acting minion's methuselah must move two blood onto their own minions from their pool otherwise this referendum fails. Each methuselah may only play one Death Threats per referendum.
POT: As above, but the acting minion's methuselah must move five blood from their pool to their own minions otherwise this referendum fails. Only one Death Threats at superior may be played during a referendum.

Azel wrote:

Low and mid caps don't need any more reasons to be better. Let the pool slough off into the blood bank.

Concerning mid cap, I am of the opposite opinion completely. That's linked to metagame and personnal taste, but it does color opinions.

Azel wrote:

Personally I'd like more minion card ways to gain/regain pool.

Well, pool gain is more out of control (and too stacked on narrow strategy) than too weak for me. A bit is fine, because 11 cap are near impossible to play if you pay them 11 pool.

Azel wrote:

And something within discipline for votes would be nice, so as the PRE stranglehold can eventually be loosened. If you keep this "Gird Minion" direction make it an act mod or reaction and throw it into an aggro discipline.

The only presence card that really is lacked by non presence voter is Voter Captivation (and the presence combo card like Scalpel tongue, but they are less needed). Nerfing (to 4 blood for example) or banning it would be way easier and less risky.

Also, your example does not help at all voter without presence ; it's more a discipline anti-voter, something that already exist in a lot of discipline (Confusion of the eye spring to mind).

Azel wrote:

Death Threats
Reaction
pot: If this referendum will effect you or cards you control, the acting minion's methuselah must move two blood onto their own minions from their pool otherwise this referendum fails. Each methuselah may only play one Death Threats per referendum.
POT: As above, but the acting minion's methuselah must move five blood from their pool to their own minions otherwise this referendum fails. Only one Death Threats at superior may be played during a referendum.

The card seem fine (maybe weak even, but it need test), but I am not too sure of what the theme is supposed to be.

I see that Jhattara's version affecting only titles vampires. That way Hukros wouldn't be owned by the card, but with some in-game politics and a wee bit of vote push (would be great with bribes!) Anson might find some hard time.

I don't know if I like the Potence version. It's reactive instead of active or pre-emptive. Seems too conditional and weakish. But the concept is worth investigating.

I'm liking Hattara's vote version with a restriction that it affects only titled vampires best.