Submission - Delusions of Grandeur (anti-villein vote moves back pool to vampires)
17 Oct 2012 12:40 #39344
by Azel
The idea is entertaining, but there's no pro-active reason to play it. At best it's a stalling tactic that requires too many conditions for too little effect. At the very least it should slough off blood into the blood bank. Unless you can follow up with a rush, or other blood removal card, Free State Rants achieves more. If you can pass a vote, why would you pass this? (which is one of the reasons I made Death Threats reactive, though it is way too focused and could use a non-vote use.)
I prefer it hurting weenies more. I also hate rounding and undefined values; give it a clear number. Besides, 1/2 cap just screws Orun more, which is not a real threat compared to what you want to target. I also like the idea of giving pool to vampires in torpor... just amuses me is all.
Delusions of Grandeur
Requires a titled Sabbat vampire
Choose a vampire with a capacity less than five not at full capacity, or a methuselah. Successful referendum means that the chosen vampire gains 4 blood from his or her controller's pool, or the chosen methuselah burns 2 pool.
Has a switch effect so it isn't a dead draw. Also the effect is focused so as to not incur excess table talk, which is what I'd associate with Sabbat politics.
Replied by Azel on topic Re: Submission - Delusions of Grandeur (anti-villein vote moves back pool to vampires)
I'd say it's not even close to KRC, as it is now.The next question, however, is if it's better than Kine Resources Contested.
With all those requirements (playable by a titled vamp (which I don't mind), only playable on a titled vamp (which i think is too restricting)) and considering that it is at max a 5 pool loss, which can be retrieved...i like the card, but truth be told, I'd just rather play even more KRCs instead of this one. Don't make another Auto-da-Fe card - nice concept, not worth it.
The idea is entertaining, but there's no pro-active reason to play it. At best it's a stalling tactic that requires too many conditions for too little effect. At the very least it should slough off blood into the blood bank. Unless you can follow up with a rush, or other blood removal card, Free State Rants achieves more. If you can pass a vote, why would you pass this? (which is one of the reasons I made Death Threats reactive, though it is way too focused and could use a non-vote use.)
I prefer it hurting weenies more. I also hate rounding and undefined values; give it a clear number. Besides, 1/2 cap just screws Orun more, which is not a real threat compared to what you want to target. I also like the idea of giving pool to vampires in torpor... just amuses me is all.
Delusions of Grandeur
Requires a titled Sabbat vampire
Choose a vampire with a capacity less than five not at full capacity, or a methuselah. Successful referendum means that the chosen vampire gains 4 blood from his or her controller's pool, or the chosen methuselah burns 2 pool.
Has a switch effect so it isn't a dead draw. Also the effect is focused so as to not incur excess table talk, which is what I'd associate with Sabbat politics.
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17 Oct 2012 13:13 #39347
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Submission - Delusions of Grandeur (anti-villein vote moves back pool to vampires)
Which idea? Which version?
I'd say it's not even close to KRC, as it is now.The next question, however, is if it's better than Kine Resources Contested.
With all those requirements (playable by a titled vamp (which I don't mind), only playable on a titled vamp (which i think is too restricting)) and considering that it is at max a 5 pool loss, which can be retrieved...i like the card, but truth be told, I'd just rather play even more KRCs instead of this one. Don't make another Auto-da-Fe card - nice concept, not worth it.
The idea is entertaining,
There are plenty of weenie-hate vote, starting with Neonate Breach which is strictly better than the version you propose above.I prefer it hurting weenies more. I also hate rounding and undefined values; give it a clear number. Besides, 1/2 cap just screws Orun more, which is not a real threat compared to what you want to target. I also like the idea of giving pool to vampires in torpor... just amuses me is all.
Delusions of Grandeur
Requires a titled Sabbat vampire
Choose a vampire with a capacity less than five not at full capacity, or a methuselah. Successful referendum means that the chosen vampire gains 4 blood from his or her controller's pool, or the chosen methuselah burns 2 pool.
Has a switch effect so it isn't a dead draw. Also the effect is focused so as to not incur excess table talk, which is what I'd associate with Sabbat politics.
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17 Oct 2012 13:37 - 17 Oct 2012 13:40 #39348
by direwolf
Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.
Replied by direwolf on topic Re: Submission - Delusions of Grandeur (anti-villein vote moves back pool to vampires)
How about:
"Delusions of Grandeur"
Divide X points amongst any number of vampires with a Villein, Vessel or Blood Doll attached, where X is half the capacity of the acting vampire (rounded up.) Vampires with Vessel or Blood Dolls may only be assigned 1 point. Each Methuselah with a chosen vampire moves pool equal to the points assigned to the chosen vampires he or she controls.
Maybe there is a better way to word it, but the idea is as original suggested to reverse the effects of villein and/or vessel/blood doll without completely hosing them. It's kinda like a reverse "Free States Rant."
EDIT:
I don't think there should be a requirement that the vampire be at less than capacity. If a vampire has a villein, vessel or blood doll, and would receive more blood than capacity: congratulations, you've removed counters from the game, likely from someone who was bloating to begin with.
"Delusions of Grandeur"
Divide X points amongst any number of vampires with a Villein, Vessel or Blood Doll attached, where X is half the capacity of the acting vampire (rounded up.) Vampires with Vessel or Blood Dolls may only be assigned 1 point. Each Methuselah with a chosen vampire moves pool equal to the points assigned to the chosen vampires he or she controls.
Maybe there is a better way to word it, but the idea is as original suggested to reverse the effects of villein and/or vessel/blood doll without completely hosing them. It's kinda like a reverse "Free States Rant."
EDIT:
I don't think there should be a requirement that the vampire be at less than capacity. If a vampire has a villein, vessel or blood doll, and would receive more blood than capacity: congratulations, you've removed counters from the game, likely from someone who was bloating to begin with.
Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.
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17 Oct 2012 14:48 - 17 Oct 2012 14:49 #39358
by Azel
Replied by Azel on topic Re: Submission - Delusions of Grandeur (anti-villein vote moves back pool to vampires)
Ahh, forgot about Neonate Breach, good card, good card.
Perhaps we are looking at the idea wrong from trying to just "reverse the flow" of Villein without any way to hold the blood there. And making it a pool damager is too hard as the field is already crowded. Maybe look at a way to "Gird Minions" followed by a counter that needs to be burned off? Fits the Sabbat theme of 'votes that create counters'.
Delusions of Grandeur
Requires Sabbat
Since two of your previous minion phases, target up to two vampires who moved their blood to their controller's pool during a master phase. Those vampires' controllers return an equal amount of pool back to the target vampires. Put a counter on these vampires; these vampires may not move blood to their controller's pool while they have this counter. These vampires may remove this counter as a +1 stealth action that costs 2 blood.
That first clause "since two of your previous minion phases" was a bear to recreate. But the inspiration is from L5R's current arc's new clauses, some of which I find quite steal-able. Undoes master bloat, adds more delay thru action tax, and technically does have the power to kill a meth who borrowed and spent.
Perhaps we are looking at the idea wrong from trying to just "reverse the flow" of Villein without any way to hold the blood there. And making it a pool damager is too hard as the field is already crowded. Maybe look at a way to "Gird Minions" followed by a counter that needs to be burned off? Fits the Sabbat theme of 'votes that create counters'.
Delusions of Grandeur
Requires Sabbat
Since two of your previous minion phases, target up to two vampires who moved their blood to their controller's pool during a master phase. Those vampires' controllers return an equal amount of pool back to the target vampires. Put a counter on these vampires; these vampires may not move blood to their controller's pool while they have this counter. These vampires may remove this counter as a +1 stealth action that costs 2 blood.
That first clause "since two of your previous minion phases" was a bear to recreate. But the inspiration is from L5R's current arc's new clauses, some of which I find quite steal-able. Undoes master bloat, adds more delay thru action tax, and technically does have the power to kill a meth who borrowed and spent.
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17 Oct 2012 17:44 #39370
by Reyda
NO.
keeping track of the state of the game as it was 2 turns ago ?
Bad
Card
Design.
Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier
Replied by Reyda on topic Re: Submission - Delusions of Grandeur (anti-villein vote moves back pool to vampires)
Requires Sabbat
Since two of your previous minion phases,
NO.
keeping track of the state of the game as it was 2 turns ago ?
Bad
Card
Design.
Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier
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