Submission - Knowing the Masses (disciplineless bleed for bishop/primogen)

jhattara wrote:

Maybe this...

Name: Knowing the Masses
Cardtype: Action
Requires a titled vampire.
Bleed at +1 bleed. If this vampire's title is worth 1 vote, he or she can burn 1 blood to untap at the end of the action (after combat if any).

More boring than the untap version. Untaps make Primogens more versatile, and that's always interesting. Also, it implements other tactics than just bleeding, like multiacting to do funny actions as well.

I'd rather see the 1-voters do powerful, and potentially silly stuff, and untaps come first to mind. Also, giving them just additional bleed becomes kinda redundant, since those pretty much only help Nossies, and possibly Tsimizce and the like. I mean, those clans that don't have bleed disciplines to begin with.

The untap is cool at the end of the action, though. +1 bleed primogens (mainly G1) would gain a wee bit of a boost, mayhaps.

Kraus wrote:

and possibly Tsimizce and the like.

Yeah, but as far as Tzimizce go, they have almost identical card at their disposal - Fiendish Tongue. True, they can only untap in a discard, but it works on every Tzimisce.

My point is that Tzimies won't use this card that much, should they want a disciplinless bleed.

How about:

"Knowing the Masses"

Requires a Primogen or Bishop. Bleed with +1 bleed. You may tap a younger untitled vampire you control to increase the bleed by 1 and untap this vampire if the action is successful.

It helps "star" vampire decks (which presumably have "helpers".) Conceptually, you can imagine a vampire with some authority using a less powerful vampire to increase performance and efficiency. It is very "Jyhad" with an elder vampire using a lesser vampire.

God knows I don't say this often when it comes to card ideas, but that is actually too weak.
It requires two vamps to be played, one of them needs a specific title and another one needs to be both younger and without a title. and one of those gets tapped, for a net gain of +1 bleed and untap. If I were to keep those restrictions, I'd make it at least +2 bleed, or perhaps the younger vamp could burn blood for +1 stealth...