file Submission - Knowing the Masses (disciplineless bleed for bishop/primogen)

28 Nov 2012 17:05 #41952 by Dr.Mafrune
Give the bishop or primogen the chance to increase the bleed by burning blood or give it a secondary text specific to bishops or primogen with good effects like influencing downn, stealing equipment, allies, locations etc.

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28 Nov 2012 18:04 #41956 by Ohlmann

Give the bishop or primogen the chance to increase the bleed by burning blood


This is already implemented. Except if you think the card should allow for +3 bleed total, which I assume you do not.

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28 Nov 2012 21:37 #41962 by Ankha

Give the bishop or primogen the chance to increase the bleed by burning blood or give it a secondary text specific to bishops or primogen with good effects like influencing downn, stealing equipment, allies, locations etc.

More than what is currently proposed would be unbalanced. I mean, it's like a superior Intimidation with a different requirement.
Sometimes I think that if I proposed Govern the Unaligned as a submission, people would find it too weak.

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28 Nov 2012 22:15 #41964 by Juggernaut1981
If you propose it for :dom: it would be too weak. If you proposed it for any other discipline, like :nec: or :thn:, it would be "Supa-broken baaaaad".
Or at least that's how it seems.

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28 Nov 2012 22:30 #41965 by Ohlmann
Primogen/bishop don't only suffer from lack of specific cards : they also suffer from relatively big size (they are ~7.5 average while prince are a bit above 8) and if you try too much to take lower size primogen, you will end up with few common disciplines. And if you take 8-cap primogen, you would as well use prince, justicar, archbishop, cardinal, whatever.

If the card intent is to help star decks that star a bishop/primogen, let's say a Basilia wall deck or something to that extent, then the design is spot on.

If it's to give an additional edge to incite putting some more bishop / primogen in your otherwise regular crypt, then the design have the problem that you can jam on it if you didn't draw the bishop, or even if you did draw it but it's not your first vampire.

An example of something designed to be playable even with relatively few bishop / primogen would be :

Call the autority
Require a vampire with less than two votes and without ballot.
Put two token from your pool to target vampire in your uncontrolled region with exactly one vote. If this vampire is titled, you can target any vampire in your uncontrolled region. Untap this vampire. Only one Call the autority can be played each turn.

Another option would be a card which is a specific silver bullet, so you can play one or two of them, kind of an entrancement or dominate kine for bishop/primogen. The problem with an intimidation for bishop is that you are likely to want to play 5-7 of them while you're at it.

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28 Nov 2012 23:03 #41969 by Juggernaut1981
Popular Leader
Action
1 blood
+1 stealth.
Requires a Bishop or Primgoen.
Put this card on the acting minion with 1 counter for each younger minion on the same clan you control. Once during an action the vampire with this card may burn a counter on this card to gain either +1 bleed or +1 vote; this effect may be used while another minion is acting. Burn this card when it has 0 counters.

How about that for boosting up bishops and primogen?

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