capuchin secret agenda - submission
05 Sep 2016 14:16 #78144
by snegiem
capuchin secret agenda - submission was created by snegiem
Name: capuchin secret agenda
master. Needs harbinger of skulls. Burn option.
Cost: none
During your untap, move the top of your library face down under the capuchin secret agenda. You can look at these cards at any time. You and harbinger of skulls you control can play these cards if it was in your hand except that you don t draw replacement for the cards played that way.
reference: it was always told that lazarus aka the capuchin had an agenda of his own... but it was never fully described... and all we know is that it had a link with the harbinger release...
use: the cards under capuchin secret agenda allows to kinda increase the hand meaning generally more intercept/wake ... and more uncommonly but needed some kills (smiling, trochomancy, brinkmanship...). This card allows to avoid making a choice between to discard a bleed card to save a perfect wall hand for example...
On short term barrens and/or elder library are kinda more powerful but on long term, this card can get more powerful as it stores cards for later use...
master. Needs harbinger of skulls. Burn option.
Cost: none
During your untap, move the top of your library face down under the capuchin secret agenda. You can look at these cards at any time. You and harbinger of skulls you control can play these cards if it was in your hand except that you don t draw replacement for the cards played that way.
reference: it was always told that lazarus aka the capuchin had an agenda of his own... but it was never fully described... and all we know is that it had a link with the harbinger release...
use: the cards under capuchin secret agenda allows to kinda increase the hand meaning generally more intercept/wake ... and more uncommonly but needed some kills (smiling, trochomancy, brinkmanship...). This card allows to avoid making a choice between to discard a bleed card to save a perfect wall hand for example...
On short term barrens and/or elder library are kinda more powerful but on long term, this card can get more powerful as it stores cards for later use...
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05 Sep 2016 15:08 #78145
by jamesatzephyr
Assuming it's unique (it doesn't say), I quite like it. You might get a reasonable number of cards on there, but once you use them, you don't get them back, except in the turn-by-turn additions, so it seems to even out a bit.
Maybe there could be a maximum number of cards on it, perhaps, if it was found to be problematic letting it get up extremely high, but overall I think there's a very solid idea here. Decent bread-and-butter ability, with an interesting twist.
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Name: capuchin secret agenda
master. Needs harbinger of skulls. Burn option.
Cost: none
During your untap, move the top of your library face down under the capuchin secret agenda. You can look at these cards at any time. You and harbinger of skulls you control can play these cards if it was in your hand except that you don t draw replacement for the cards played that way.
Assuming it's unique (it doesn't say), I quite like it. You might get a reasonable number of cards on there, but once you use them, you don't get them back, except in the turn-by-turn additions, so it seems to even out a bit.
Maybe there could be a maximum number of cards on it, perhaps, if it was found to be problematic letting it get up extremely high, but overall I think there's a very solid idea here. Decent bread-and-butter ability, with an interesting twist.
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06 Sep 2016 01:47 - 06 Sep 2016 01:51 #78146
by Boris The Blade
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The closest existing card is Shilmulo Tarot:
Your card has one big advantage: all the stored cards are directly playable whereas the Tarot requires you to cycle first to get the card you want into your hand. On the minus side, it starts with 0 card in, so takes longer to become really useful. Overall, the power level should be fine for a bloodline card.Shilmulo Tarot
Unique equipment.
Move the top two cards from your library to this equipment (face down). You may look at the cards on this equipment at any time. If this Ravnos is ready and you should draw a card from your library, you may draw one of these cards instead. During your untap phase, you may move the top card from your library to this card.
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06 Sep 2016 16:55 #78152
by chrisn101
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Very nice idea - a much better
Storage Annex
which is also kinda an
Elder Library
. If it's not a Location and the card can have multiple library cards on it, then making it a Unique Master would be consistent.
Like jamesatzephyr suggests, maybe worth capping the amount of cards so you don't eventually end up with your entire library under it
. 'Up to two/three cards' would be straight-forward. 'Up to X cards, where X is the number of Vampires you control' (in general, not 'ready') might be more interesting. I'm extending the logic that, if The Capuchin has access to more minions, he could influence events more.
I would suggest that it costing a pool would be fair, given that there's no equip action required like Shimulo Tarot and you can access the cards directly, with no way of removing the card (not being a location, or having an inbuilt destruct).

Like jamesatzephyr suggests, maybe worth capping the amount of cards so you don't eventually end up with your entire library under it

I would suggest that it costing a pool would be fair, given that there's no equip action required like Shimulo Tarot and you can access the cards directly, with no way of removing the card (not being a location, or having an inbuilt destruct).
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07 Sep 2016 08:49 #78167
by Lech

Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
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I think that capping it at 3-4 cards would be perfect solution. Still bit worse than gangrel/!gangrel card but playable.






Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
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07 Sep 2016 10:40 #78168
by jamesatzephyr
In my head, my gut instinct was somewhere around 5 - possibly just because many more than that might turn out to be horribly annoying in physical play. Given that you'd have to hit that over 5 turns without playing any from it (or longer while playing some from it), and it's for a Bloodlines clan, and you don't get the extra hand size immediately (wait one turn), it didn't seem over the top. But, obviously, playtesting etc. to see how hideously people can break it would be sensible too, and any number could be tweaked based on that.
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I think that capping it at 3-4 cards would be perfect solution. Still bit worse than gangrel/!gangrel card but playable.
In my head, my gut instinct was somewhere around 5 - possibly just because many more than that might turn out to be horribly annoying in physical play. Given that you'd have to hit that over 5 turns without playing any from it (or longer while playing some from it), and it's for a Bloodlines clan, and you don't get the extra hand size immediately (wait one turn), it didn't seem over the top. But, obviously, playtesting etc. to see how hideously people can break it would be sensible too, and any number could be tweaked based on that.
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