Not Unique Vampires league 2020- rules and report

NOT UNIQUE VAMPIRES LEAGUE 2020-report

Yesterday is played 2 games with testing new contest rule. 1 league game and 1 frendly game,contest dint happen.

In league we see: goratrix,stanislava and malgorzada with lord and mistres. in frendly game,Gabrin is played as star

rules and BC anounce: www.vekn.net/forum/lackeyccg/78624-not-unique-vampires-league-2020-rules-and-report

tabela,tables,deck statistic in Hook: www.vtes-hook.com/vtes/event-summary/show-events/152-vtes-test-not-unique-vampires?fbclid=IwAR1Zazk0IaSsZxJWRPmgSeyRVW8Btrey99vW0AQwf55hpwlQUEeinh9K9xk

new results:
League
frendly

Ankha wrote:

Also, we'd like to know how often it happens, not get biaised results by forcing players to contest vampires.

It dont happen more ofter because of the contest rule, to get a non biaised result check tournment reports from before the rule.
If you look at Igor report you will see that lots of decks are unique/vampire based instead of concept based, for example:
Malgorzata
Stanislava
Gabrin
Lazverinus
Unnamed
Matasuntha
Sha-Enmu
Lutz
Montano
Rachel Brandwyne
Antonio D'erlette (nephandus/tupdog probably use it)

I know that you randomly stumble with a deck that uses a uncommon crypt just sucks, but you cant use this to let the star decks run wild, remember that we already dont have Pentex anymore.
If you take a look at decks prior Pentex nerf, every star deck have at least one way to avoid it Wash, Sudden, another Pentex for contest, etc...
After the nerf this cards started to fade from those kind of decks and they become even more narrow.
The risk/reward balance changed, less risk, same reward.
Without the big impact of contest, the risk is decreased another time and the reward will be the same.
You dont see contest happen often because people actively avoid it, its not just random chances.
Someone contest a Pariah is bad luck LOW RISK/low reward, someone constest a Stanislava is expected HIGH RISK/high reward.

The biggest problem is that when contest happens usually is with those big caps and its catastrophic because you lose more then 11 pool and a lot of turns.
The new influence rule kinds of avoid it making it possible to influence to contest only if you want.

My proposal is:
Instead of change the Contest rules, changes the influence rules.
Pay 1 pool to be able to move transfers ( up to your transfers ) from from one card in your uncontrolled region to another with the same age or younger (to avoid Govern the unaligned and other cards to be abusable) in your uncontrolled region (impossible with a Brainwash or similar in any of those 2 cards).
That way if you happens to be in the same table and someone brings your vampire to the table, instead of influence back all the way at half transfers and then influence back at normal rate you can just influence "sideways" to open another vampire.
Example 1:
Round 1 - Player A Influence 2 in Arika
Player B influence 4 in Arika
Round 2 - Player A influence +4 ( total 6 in Arika )
Player B use Zillahs and bring arika to the game
Round 3 - Player A instead of influence more in arika, pay 1 pool, influence "sideways" 4 transfers from Arika to Lucinde and influence more 4 in Lucinde.
Round 4 - Player A move influence more 2 in Lucinde and influence 2 in arika to force a contest...

Example 2 -
Round 1
Player A uses Information highway and influence 3 in enkidu
Player B Plays Zilah and influence 8
Round 2
Player A influence +6 in enkidu ( total 9 )
Player B brings Enkidu
Round 3
Player A influence pay 1 pool, influence 6 "sideways" from enkidu to Karsh and influence more 4 to bring it to the game.

The "transfers ratio" is just an idea of how to keeps it balanced instead of just move all counters but maybe you can remove the crypt card from the game to move all transfers from one card to another.

That can help with the problem of contest without change the unique mechanic

What happens to the title contest of Hardestadt vs. Hardestadt and of Rafael de Corazon vs. Rafael de Corazon under this contestation rule?
Will the first copy have to yield his title when he reaches his turn with the other copy still active?

Camarilla Ventrue Inner Circle: Any vampire contesting Hardestadt's title must yield during their unlock phase. +1 bleed. +2 strength.

Camarilla Toreador Inner Circle: Any vampire contesting Rafael's title must yield during their unlock phase.

The proposed rule change that is currently playtested will open up many a can of worms just like Hakuron showed above.

These would be better left unopened!

Hakuron wrote:

What happens to the title contest of Hardestadt vs. Hardestadt?

Table throwing.

I think the example Hakuron posted should be relatively easy to handle: the next player controlling a copy of the contested Inner Circle that starts their unlock phase must yield the contest of the title. Assuming that there are only 2 copies of the respective vampire in play, when the 2nd reaches their unlock phase, the contest is ended. Furthermore, Hardestadt's special does not apply to himself in the case of contest, and after a copy of Hardestadt has yielded the title, that copy isn't contesting anymore, so that copys special also doesn't apply anymore.

But there is another weird example: Crusade: Aragon and two Sabbat Lucitas in play. Ideas, anyone?

Crusade: Aragon

Requires a Sabbat vampire. Title.
If this referendum passes, put this card on the acting vampire to represent the unique Sabbat title of Archbishop of Aragon. If Lucita is in play and is Sabbat, put this card on her instead.