New set in 2012
08 Dec 2011 01:10 #17537
by AaronC
Some of your points are well taken, and are similar to some of the things I have thought as well. But consider that being very negative makes people want to ignore even your good suggestions (
this from an also negative person...)
VEKN should publish a regular newsletter. I think one every four months would be okay. It should go on the front page on this site. It doesn't have to be long, just a few paragraphs talking about what's going on, if anything. Official announcements should not be only be made on forum threads. There should be a central location for news. I know VTES players have got into the habit of having to do internet searches to find information about anything, but it may be time to move away from that.
Since VEKN is a volunteer undertaking, people should be realistic about what can be accomplished, including VEKN themselves. That's true about any project undertaken. For instance, creating and maintaining a ratings system is a huge task, one which ate up a lot of Robyn Tatu's life, I believe. It's a big project. If VEKN is having a problem with it, or doesn't feel it's feasible with current manpower, OK, just publish an update.
Replied by AaronC on topic Re: New set in 2012
* There is still no announcement on the front page about a new set. All we have is a forum thread, not even started by a VEKN IC member and Johannes' announcement at the welcome party of the EC.
* There is still no new ranking system online yet. Supposedly it's "almost done" but it has been for months and the "real life" excuse and "volunteer" words have been coming up a lot. This may all be the case, but maybe at some point it's time to then step down and have someone else take over?
* Online presence. You're going to need to communicate with the fans. Update the website. Post announcements. And very importantly, don't get involved in heated forum discussion and don't pick sides in arguments.
Some of your points are well taken, and are similar to some of the things I have thought as well. But consider that being very negative makes people want to ignore even your good suggestions (

VEKN should publish a regular newsletter. I think one every four months would be okay. It should go on the front page on this site. It doesn't have to be long, just a few paragraphs talking about what's going on, if anything. Official announcements should not be only be made on forum threads. There should be a central location for news. I know VTES players have got into the habit of having to do internet searches to find information about anything, but it may be time to move away from that.
Since VEKN is a volunteer undertaking, people should be realistic about what can be accomplished, including VEKN themselves. That's true about any project undertaken. For instance, creating and maintaining a ratings system is a huge task, one which ate up a lot of Robyn Tatu's life, I believe. It's a big project. If VEKN is having a problem with it, or doesn't feel it's feasible with current manpower, OK, just publish an update.
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08 Dec 2011 08:29 #17559
by Haze
Replied by Haze on topic Re: New set in 2012
geez you people are complaining like the new PDF set is going to be all Imbued cards
... oh whoops, I spoiled the secret surprise
... oh whoops, I spoiled the secret surprise
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08 Dec 2011 08:31 #17561
by Amenophobis
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Some of your points are well taken, and are similar to some of the things I have thought as well. But consider that being very negative makes people want to ignore even your good suggestions (
this from an also negative person...)
I wonder where this negativity comes from?
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08 Dec 2011 09:03 #17572
by Kraus
It might be just me, but isn't voluntary work just that: if you have the time and energy, what's stopping you from actually asking the higher ups if they'll let you work on something? The Newsletter would be a perfect target for people wanting to help. Newsletter need people to write the stuff, work on the layout, produce the .pdf:s, gather information about what's going on...
What I'm saying, is that people seem to have a lot of time to rant.
Maybe use that time to help out?
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Replied by Kraus on topic Re: New set in 2012
Would it be a good idea to contact the person behind the rankings system personally, and offer him some help? Like, "I've got some extra time, what can I do to help you out?"* There is still no new ranking system online yet. Supposedly it's "almost done" but it has been for months and the "real life" excuse and "volunteer" words have been coming up a lot. This may all be the case, but maybe at some point it's time to then step down and have someone else take over?
It might be just me, but isn't voluntary work just that: if you have the time and energy, what's stopping you from actually asking the higher ups if they'll let you work on something? The Newsletter would be a perfect target for people wanting to help. Newsletter need people to write the stuff, work on the layout, produce the .pdf:s, gather information about what's going on...
What I'm saying, is that people seem to have a lot of time to rant.

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08 Dec 2011 11:43 - 08 Dec 2011 11:44 #17609
by johannes
Sure. Please point someone out to take over. I'd be more than happy to let ANYONE take care of the rating who is capable of doing it. And I have asked many times for it. We do have new guys on it since a couple of days, but they are just getting started.
Replied by johannes on topic Re: New set in 2012
* There is still no new ranking system online yet. Supposedly it's "almost done" but it has been for months and the "real life" excuse and "volunteer" words have been coming up a lot. This may all be the case, but maybe at some point it's time to then step down and have someone else take over?
Sure. Please point someone out to take over. I'd be more than happy to let ANYONE take care of the rating who is capable of doing it. And I have asked many times for it. We do have new guys on it since a couple of days, but they are just getting started.
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08 Dec 2011 13:00 #17633
by johannes
That is what the V:EKN does, actually. Every NC should repost what he deems important from here to his local forum. Every prince should be here and keep track and report back to his local playerbase. Not all of them do, but most. I have always assumed that this is a good enough way to distribute information to as many players as possible.
If we adopt your position that all we do on this website is futile we might just as well stop doing it. That means no more RTRs, no more EC/NAC (because how will people know about it), no more forum where people can discuss. This game is having a difficult time already with production being stopped. The goal of the VEKN is to keep it alive as much as possible. Opinions may differ on how to do that, but angry ranting is not helping anybody. Constructive suggestions are, and they are certainly not falling on deaf ears.
For example I have immediately taken up two of Izaak´s suggestions:
- We will create an announcement section on the website ASAP
- Starting on 01/01/2012 there will be a quarterly update from the VEKN to their members. I have already started doing this inside the NC base, but I´ll extend it to everybody.
Replied by johannes on topic Re: New set in 2012
Johness, you are kidding yourself if you think those numbers mean anything. Take my local riders forum for instance. Nearly 500 registered. Maybe a dozen are regular posters. Now with only twice that number, you think this site is reaching the global playerbase??? You are in denial.
That is what the V:EKN does, actually. Every NC should repost what he deems important from here to his local forum. Every prince should be here and keep track and report back to his local playerbase. Not all of them do, but most. I have always assumed that this is a good enough way to distribute information to as many players as possible.
If we adopt your position that all we do on this website is futile we might just as well stop doing it. That means no more RTRs, no more EC/NAC (because how will people know about it), no more forum where people can discuss. This game is having a difficult time already with production being stopped. The goal of the VEKN is to keep it alive as much as possible. Opinions may differ on how to do that, but angry ranting is not helping anybody. Constructive suggestions are, and they are certainly not falling on deaf ears.
For example I have immediately taken up two of Izaak´s suggestions:
- We will create an announcement section on the website ASAP
- Starting on 01/01/2012 there will be a quarterly update from the VEKN to their members. I have already started doing this inside the NC base, but I´ll extend it to everybody.
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