Disarm vs. Combat ends

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

but I honestly still find them to contain internal logic faults.

Which are? In your previous post, you talk about "real world" and rpg considerations, which have nothing to do in a rule section.

Using a passive form to identify environmental damage seems quite logical (no acting subject, the "victim" takes X damage from environmental source).
Using an active form on the other hand (with an acting subject) defines clearly the source of damage.

When player A in combat with player B loses 1 pool from a Tension in the Ranks played by player C, do you consider player C is dealing the pool damage? Isn't it an "environmental" pool loss?

(As for RPG considerations, I also see a difference between the two. Outside the Hourglass: the True Brujah stops time and punches the opposing minion before the combat really starts. Easy to imagine he can snatch his arm off. Carrion Crows: an uncontrollable swarm of birds attacks the opposing minion but the vampire has no control on it and can't tell them to attack some part of the body. You could find a thousand different RPG explanations anyway, and it's really not a rule subject).