Gwyedd and Horrific Countenance

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Pascal wrote:

Hm.
The blocking minion did block (requirement to play Horrific Coutenance), so the blocking minion isn't tapped by Gwyedd's ability.

As a follow-up, this appears (to me) to be pretty much the same issue that led to RTR 2011-12-02. Specifically, the change from "successfully bleeds" to "would be successful".

It would seem internally consistent that cards which go (roughly speaking): "Play when [X happens]. [X happening is messed up.]" would all fit into the "Play when [X would happen]" template brought in for bleeds by that RTR.

For example, Andre LeRoux could previously have a vampire who "successfully bleeds", but then reduce the amount to zero. And you then get into questions like "Can Major Boon be played on a successful bleed for zero?" and "Can I play Enkil Cog? Well, Andre says I've successfully bled..."

Pascal wrote:

I'm reading this discussion and thinking at the same time.
I'm trying to find a comparison with Psychomachia (notice how that one changed from "is attempting to block" to "successfully blocks"), which clearly states "The block fails."
[LSJ 20020301] The vampire is blocked, triggering "when a vampire is blocked" effects (barring any "when this vampire would be blocked" erratum).

 effect was similar to Tangle Atropo's Handle (thus not triggering the NRA), which wasn't the designer intent.

Now, the errata has introduced a new side-effect, which is you can't avoid being burned by Milicent Smith with the [dai] effect of the card (block fails).



The real errata should have been (since the 
 timing is different from the [dai] timing):


 Only usable when an ally or younger vampire successfully blocks. Cancel the current action and untap this acting vampire. The blocking minion is not tapped.

[dai] Only usable when an ally or younger vampire attempts to block. The attempt fails (do not tap that blocking minion). That minion cannot attempt to block this action again.

[DAI] As [dai] above, and the blocking minion takes 1 damage (damage not preventable).





(I copied the wording of Elder Impersonation for the [dai] effect. )



Of course, this is much longer.