The Jones, interrupting TV or not ?

@James:
And once again I marvel at the 'logic' LSJ used at times.

weird ruling that contradict;

1.4. The Golden Rule for Cards

Whenever the cards contradict the rules, the cards take precedence.

Guess it should be rewritten to;

Whenever the cards contradict the rules, the cards take precedence except for rulebook:1.6.1.5

Ankha wrote:

LSJ wrote:

The Jones is played as the strike card is played (before the Target Vitals
is played). Like using DI to cancel a Govern with Seduction.

Thanks for the link, funny thing I picked up the same example as LSJ.

Yeah It's funny because nobody plays those cards together !!

Chaitan wrote:

Guess it should be rewritten to;

Whenever the cards contradict the rules, the cards take precedence except for rulebook:1.6.1.5

I hope my coworkers didn't hear me laughing so loud but yeah, seconded

Well thanks James for providing the link to the correct answer

Chaitan wrote:

Guess it should be rewritten to;

Whenever the cards contradict the rules, the cards take precedence except for rulebook:1.6.1.5

Not really. Not many cards screw with sequencing, but when they do they override the sequencing rules as normal. Deep Song changes who goes first in every timing window. Rapid Thought does it for one specific window.

However, a lot more cards 'define' a timing window (such as "as the action is announced", "when the block is successful" or "before range is chosen"). We then need to know what order those timing windows occur in. 1.6.1.5 is only ever about ordering effects in a given timing window - it doesn't let you rush ahead to a different timing window, or deny a player an opportunity to use an effect in this timing window. (Though you can prevent them from doing so indirectly - their before range card costs blood, you make them lose blood before range with Weather Control, they can't play it.)

The issue basically boils down to whether "as the card is played" comes before "as the strike is chosen", or whether they're the same thing (or maybe some other option I don't care about).

The same issue comes up with whether you announce an action when you play an action card (and so can play "As the action is announced" modifiers right then) or whether you play the card, wait for DI (or other cancellation), then announce the action.

The outcome is: the two work in the same way. Playing a card is a mini-step before "announce the action" or "choose the strike". So you get to cancel the card as it is played, before you move on to the "the strike is chosen" and "the action is announced" timing windows.

One benefit to this is that you don't end up with some hideous stack-like outcome, where I've played three modifiers on my action, or several "as the strike is chosen" actions on my strike, and then get my opponent asking if they can play a cancellation card.