Awake With Evening Freshness and Fast Reaction

Pascal wrote:

"Fun" part now: Wakes are reaction cards, that, per the Rulebook, are usable in response to an action taken.
The philosophical question is: in the sequence "Govern; Wake; Evil Eye sup", how can Wake be played if there is no action (and not be playable in ToGP + Wake + Rewind Time invalid scenario, where there also is no action) ?

Less philosophically and more "trying to make the existing rules coherent", if 6.2 were modified from: so that instead of being "during an action" it hinged on there being an acting minion, that might help. Which is sort of hinted at here:

[LSJ 20090929]

LSJ, wrote:

> If Conrad Adoula is blocked by an Assamite with a contract naming her,
> and is burned in the resulting combat, if the Assamite plays
> Provisions of the Silsila, will that card's cost be increased ?
> I don't think so.
Yes. Reaction cards can only be played when another Methuselah's minion is acting.

Except you then have to also account for the existing situation where an acting minion is burned (or otherwise got rid of somehow e.g. out of play), but where another minion might be entitled to play Cats' Guidance. Which, conveniently, is mentioned in the same ruling:

LSJ, wrote:

> Finally, if the blocking minion burns the acting in combat, can he
> play Cats' Guidance inf' ?
> I'd say he can.
Yes.

But since he's been exploded, there is no acting minion, so if you were just to say "When there is an acting minion...", things are trickier.

Though none of this really addresses why Wakes can be played in combat. Most of their weird specialness seems to inherit from their ability to enable card cancellers. Except reaction-based card cancellers (e.g. Power of All) can't be played in combat:

[LSJ 20080618]

LSJ wrote:

>>> Can Power of All be played during combat ?
[...]
>> Yes, just as DI can be played in combat, despite lacking the same wording.
>
> Master cards aren't prohibited from being played in combat though.
> Minion cards are, and Power of All is a minion card.
>
> 6.4: Note: The only minion cards that can be played during combat are
> combat cards (unless a card states otherwise, of course).
Ah, OK.

REVERSAL: Power of All cannot be played during combat.

Ankha wrote:

self wrote:

I don't quite understand his thought process on why Wake has to function in the manner it does, but i can accept it.

The philosophy is: whenever you'd like to play a reaction card with a tapped minion (whatever its window of play), you are able to use a wake card to allow you to play that card.

There's two exceptions to this rule: you can't play Wake + Rewind Time superior (to cancel a master card as it is played) nor a wake in torpor (since playing reaction cards requires to be ready).

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Rewind Time at superior probably ought to be a reflex, as it fits the current criteria of Reflexes. using a reaction to interact with something that isn't an action is super weird to me. it's also baffling that one can use a Wake where one can not use something that actually untaps a minion. but hey, at least we can always play Wake with Evening's freshness, right?

I never quite understood that ruling of Power of All, as I thought the one and only golden rule of cardgames (If a card breaks the rules, card prevails over rules) applied there.