What is "a" block?
12 May 2016 20:33 #76884
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic What is "a" block?
Well, it's even better to say that the block attempt failed
Is "block" is a misnomer for "blocking attempt?" I think if you were to simply replace block with blocking attempt, in most cases, the issues you raise go away.
In the Psychomachia case (or Phantom Speaker), the action is blocked so an Aching Beauty would trigger. But then the action is not blocked.
Right. so it's not a misnomer. I agree that "cancel the resulting combat if any, and continue the action" is far superior to saying "the block fails."
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13 May 2016 01:04 #76886
by Boris The Blade
Replied by Boris The Blade on topic What is "a" block?
Then one set later, Tangle Atropos Hand was printed with the same Outferior as the old PsychomachiaOne must be careful with Psychomachia because it was originally designed to be played "when... is attempting to block" (vtes.pl/card/Bloodlines/Psychomachia/41249)
But then the outferior Presence effect was estimated too strong, and the card switch to a card text supposed to make the action be blocked at pre, and not blocked at dai/DAI.
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13 May 2016 08:01 #76887
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic What is "a" block?
Apparently, it's ok for Potence. I suppose that Psychomachia was too good in weenie presence. I'm fine with that choice.
Then one set later, Tangle Atropos Hand was printed with the same Outferior as the old PsychomachiaOne must be careful with Psychomachia because it was originally designed to be played "when... is attempting to block" (vtes.pl/card/Bloodlines/Psychomachia/41249)
But then the outferior Presence effect was estimated too strong, and the card switch to a card text supposed to make the action be blocked at pre, and not blocked at dai/DAI.
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13 May 2016 12:22 - 13 May 2016 12:34 #76889
by Boris The Blade
Replied by Boris The Blade on topic What is "a" block?
Psychomachia was always restricted to ally and younger blockers, so weenies are not an issue. Besides, it does not change anything for a pure presence deck: if you acting at 0 stealth, anyone who attempts to block will succeed, so Psychomachia is playable anyway. The only situation I can think of where it is better not to wait for the opponent to play his intercept before you cancel the action is on a bounced stealthed bleed, and for that, once you give Tangle to 
and 
it is hard to argue that the same effect in 
(with extra generation restrictions) is overpowered for the Baali.
To go back to the original topic: do not mess up the core rules to accomodate one half-baked card. If there is a timing problem with Psychomachia only, then reword Psychomachia, not the rules. Spying Mission already uses the "would be succesfull" template for a similar timing. But again, I believe it is a waste of space on Psychomachia and the original text was fine.
and it is hard to argue that the same effect in (with extra generation restrictions) is overpowered for the Baali.To go back to the original topic: do not mess up the core rules to accomodate one half-baked card. If there is a timing problem with Psychomachia only, then reword Psychomachia, not the rules. Spying Mission already uses the "would be succesfull" template for a similar timing. But again, I believe it is a waste of space on Psychomachia and the original text was fine.
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