Mask of a 1000 faces and bleed modifiers

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Ankha wrote:

Incorrect. Vampire B is already "using" the +3 bleed from the first Conditioning. It cannot use another bleed-increasing effect provided by an action modifier card (rulebook).

Is a vampire "using" +X bleed from the following action modifiers? I'm using the text from www.vekn.net/images/stories/downloads/cardlist.txt , which has all the "(limited)" and "does not count against the limit" updates:

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Since they are action modifiers, if they are being used by the minion, it would seem simpler to change the wording of the rule to something like "Only one action modifier can be played on the action to... This is noted by (limited)." My reasoning for that is that for cards that go in play, they already have a chunk of extra text to deal with that, so avoiding the need for "which does not count against the limit" frees up that space. Generally that's much simpler on a straight-forward action modifier that says something like: "+1 bleed, which does not count against the limit."

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Also, www.vekn.net/forum/rules-questions/76595-rules-team-rulings-rtr-11-05-2018 suggests that Leverage should have had its card text changed, but the card list says:

Burn the Edge to get +1 bleed for this action. You cannot gain the Edge this action. If you would get the Edge, it is burned instead.

Ratadin wrote:

Sorry for resurrecting this, but I am looking at the rulebook now, and it doesn't say:
"A minion cannot ---use--- more than one action modifier card to increase a bleed during a bleed action. Some bleed action modifiers explicitly state that they do not count against this limit; those can be played before or after modifiers that count against the limit. This rule is reminded on some cards by the "(limited)" card text"

As it used to, but:

"During a bleed action, a minion cannot ---play--- more than one action modifier card to increase the bleed amount. This rule is reminded on those cards by the “(limited)” card text."

Ratadin wrote:

Does this mean this answers and ruling are outdated and now you can use multiple bleed modifiers with Mask or Empower the Puppet king?

inm8 wrote:

Ankha wrote:

"no more than one action modifier card can be played to increase a bleed during a bleed action."

Note that the above does not address the fact that the limit is reached only as long as the modifier is actively modifying the bleed and not just by being played which is what the text above says when phrasing it with "[...] can be played to increase a bleed [...]"