The Capuchin burns & temporary control
13 Apr 2020 13:36 #99574
by lip
The Capuchin burns & temporary control was created by lip
My Opponent has The Capuchin and The Rack targeting him.
I play Spirit Marionette at
to take control of The Capuchin and bleed. Somehow, he burns.
- Does The Capuchin come back in my uncontrolled or my opponent uncontrolled ?
[ANK 20200230] says mine, but maybe Spirit Marionette end of control kicks in ? Or maybe not since The Capuchin actually burns [ANK 20160404] and going through the ash heap "cleans" it from any effect [LSJ 20040726] .
- Does The Rack still target him ?
Or did it lose its target due to passage through the ash heap ? [ANK 20200230] does not seem clear to me on that point. [LSJ 20040726] seems to indicate that going through the ash heap is one of the rare things that would make The Rack lose its target (contrary to a contest or Banishment).
[Vampire][Harbinger of Skulls][11](g.5)

Independent: If The Capuchin is burned, move him to your uncontrolled region and you get +3 transfers at the start of your next influence phase. +1 bleed. +2 hand size. +1 intercept.
[Master]
Unique location.
As this card is played or the controller of this card changes, the controller chooses a ready vampire they control. During the controller's unlock phase, the chosen vampire can gain 2 blood. A vampire controlled by another Methuselah can steal this location as a Ⓓ action.
[Action]
Ⓓ Bleed at +1 bleed.
Ⓓ Bleed at +1 bleed and lock a ready minion controlled by your prey (even if the target of the bleed is changed).
+1 stealth action. Ⓓ Take control of a ready unlocked minion until the end of the next action. That minion must bleed your prey unless he or she must hunt.
I play Spirit Marionette at

- Does The Capuchin come back in my uncontrolled or my opponent uncontrolled ?
[ANK 20200230] says mine, but maybe Spirit Marionette end of control kicks in ? Or maybe not since The Capuchin actually burns [ANK 20160404] and going through the ash heap "cleans" it from any effect [LSJ 20040726] .
- Does The Rack still target him ?
Or did it lose its target due to passage through the ash heap ? [ANK 20200230] does not seem clear to me on that point. [LSJ 20040726] seems to indicate that going through the ash heap is one of the rare things that would make The Rack lose its target (contrary to a contest or Banishment).
The Capuchin
[Vampire][Harbinger of Skulls][11](g.5)






Independent: If The Capuchin is burned, move him to your uncontrolled region and you get +3 transfers at the start of your next influence phase. +1 bleed. +2 hand size. +1 intercept.
The Rack
[Master]
Unique location.
As this card is played or the controller of this card changes, the controller chooses a ready vampire they control. During the controller's unlock phase, the chosen vampire can gain 2 blood. A vampire controlled by another Methuselah can steal this location as a Ⓓ action.
Spirit Marionette
[Action]



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14 Apr 2020 08:43 - 15 Apr 2020 08:33 #99577
by Ankha
EDIT: this is true, but in that case, the temporary control is already broken by the trip to the ash heap anyway.
Replied by Ankha on topic The Capuchin burns & temporary control
It goes to your opponent uncontrolled region because the trip to your uncontrolled region breaks the temporary control effect. You still get +3 transfer though.My Opponent has The Capuchin and The Rack targeting him.
I play Spirit Marionette atto take control of The Capuchin and bleed. Somehow, he burns.
- Does The Capuchin come back in my uncontrolled or my opponent uncontrolled ?[/url].
EDIT: this is true, but in that case, the temporary control is already broken by the trip to the ash heap anyway.
No, The Capuchin has burned so the Rack no longer targets him.- Does The Rack still target him ?
Last edit: 15 Apr 2020 08:33 by Ankha. Reason: Fixed closing quote.
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14 Apr 2020 14:33 - 14 Apr 2020 15:28 #99583
by lip
Replied by lip on topic The Capuchin burns & temporary control
Thanks !
About the first question:
Does Capuchin not go first in ash heap, then in my uncontrolled ? Why does the temporary control effect of Spirit Marionette still track him in my uncontrolled and not The Rack effect ?
About the first question:
Does Capuchin not go first in ash heap, then in my uncontrolled ? Why does the temporary control effect of Spirit Marionette still track him in my uncontrolled and not The Rack effect ?
Last edit: 14 Apr 2020 15:28 by lip.
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15 Apr 2020 07:52 #99592
by Ankha
He is burned while you control him. Then he goes to the uncontrolled region, but since this breaks temporary effects, he ends in his righteous controller's uncontrolled region, not yours.
Replied by Ankha on topic The Capuchin burns & temporary control
Thanks !
About the first question:
Does Capuchin not go first in ash heap, then in my uncontrolled ? Why does the temporary control effect of Spirit Marionette still track him in my uncontrolled and not The Rack effect ?
He is burned while you control him. Then he goes to the uncontrolled region, but since this breaks temporary effects, he ends in his righteous controller's uncontrolled region, not yours.
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15 Apr 2020 07:57 - 15 Apr 2020 07:57 #99593
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic The Capuchin burns & temporary control
The ruling you are refering to only applies to permanent control.My Opponent has The Capuchin and The Rack targeting him.
I play Spirit Marionette atto take control of The Capuchin and bleed. Somehow, he burns.
- Does The Capuchin come back in my uncontrolled or my opponent uncontrolled ?
[ANK 20200230] says mine, but maybe Spirit Marionette end of control kicks in ?
Last edit: 15 Apr 2020 07:57 by Ankha.
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15 Apr 2020 08:02 #99594
by lip
Replied by lip on topic The Capuchin burns & temporary control
Thanks a lot for the quick response and details ! It's much clearer now.
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