Confirmation needed about Garrote

Ankha wrote:

Timo wrote:

I think now what we need is for Ankha to give an official answer.

Because even if yes, for garrote (or sup Arhiman's Demesne for that matter) the 2 parts of the text seems to be separated, it could be argued (and it is !) that the second effect is part of the strike effect and therefore would be dodged.

And it has been ruled like that by LSJ for Blood Rage/Blood Fury (groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/GBcR6aNjIk4/m/DXPyqBM1R8kJ)

I can't see anything in the ruling you link demonstrating your assertion.

> 2. If soul burn is dodged, does the "weapon inflict no damage" thing
> take effect or not ? (i believe not)

"Not" is correct. Dodge protects the dodger from all effects of the
strike.

inm8 wrote:

I think what is being asked and that i also wonder about is why does the dodging minion get to disregard/protection against the secondary effect (ie. if the opposing vampire..) of cards like Ahriman's Demesne, Blood Fury, Blood Rage, Soul Burn etc. but not from Garrote´s secondary effect when it is worded the same? Per the ruling linked LSJ says "Dodge protects the dodger from all effects of the strike." when talkng about Soul Burn, meaning that the "if the opposing vampire..." effect is also part of the strike itself. In regards of Garrote LSJ says "It's something that can be done if something else (opposing vampire to torpor) happens during the resolution of the strike." which means that it seems these two rulings are contradicting if there isnt something we are/I am missing. Is the difference justified by that Garrote is an equipment/a weapon and not a combat card?

Ahriman's Demesne

Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 2 blood
Discipline: Obtenebration
Only usable at long range. Not usable during the first round of combat.
[obt] Strike: 1R aggravated damage.
[OBT] As above, and if the opposing vampire would go to torpor during the resolution of this strike, instead they are burned.

Blood Fury

Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Thaumaturgy
Only usable at close range.
[tha] Strike: hand strike at +1 damage. This damage cannot be prevented by cards that require Fortitude [for]. If the opposing vampire attempts to strike with a weapon this round, he or she does no damage.
[THA] As above, but for strength+2 damage.

Blood Rage

Cardtype: Combat
Discipline: Thaumaturgy
Only usable at close range.
[tha] Strike: hand strike. This damage cannot be prevented by cards that require Fortitude [for]. If the opposing vampire attempts to strike with a weapon this round, he or she does no damage.
[THA] As above, but for strength+1 damage.

Soul Burn

Cardtype: Combat
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Thaumaturgy
[tha] Strike: 1R damage. This damage cannot be prevented by cards that require Fortitude [for]. If the opposing vampire attempts to strike with a weapon this round, he or she does no damage.
[THA] As above, but for 2R damage.

Garrote

Cardtype: Equipment
Cost: 1 pool
Melee weapon.
Strike: strength damage, only usable at close range. If the opposing vampire {would go to torpor} during the strike resolution step of this strike and the bearer remains ready, the bearer may burn this card to burn the opposing vampire {instead}. This is not considered diablerie.