Is a Minion card also played implcetly by the methuselah?
01 Nov 2026 11:43 #118031
by Hobbesgoblin
With the release of "Backroom Deal" I fell into a thought experiment that led me to the titled question.
Requires a ready primogen. Only one Backroom Deal can be played each action.
[ACTION MODIFIER]
+1 stealth.
[ACTION MODIFIER]
Only usable by a ready primogen other than the acting Camarilla vampire. The acting Camarilla vampire gets +1 stealth.
following scenario:
You control Victor Gerard (or Vidal Or Mata Hari )
Anarch: You and Victor can play cards requiring a Camarilla vampire as if Victor were a Camarilla vampire. While Victor is a Baron, you and Victor can play cards requiring a Prince as if Victor were a Prince.
Backroom Deal is a card requiring a Primogen, therefore implicitly requreing a Camarilla Vampire. [LSJ 20050128]
Can another Primogen you control, play "Backroom Deals" to while Victor Gerard is acting, to give him +1 Stealth?
While on the first glance it seems like a clear "no", since the rolebook clearly says:
BUT
there are several cards that refer to minion cards played by "you", either implicitly, or excplicitly:
Master: unique location. Requires a ready Laibon.
Lock this location to reduce the cost of a card you play by 1 pool (this location is not locked if that card is canceled as it is played). Any Laibon may steal this location for his or her controller as a Ⓓ action.
Powerbase Tshwane always has been used to discount the Pool cost of Minion cards, like allies, despit it saysing "cards you play"
Unique location.
If you have the Edge, you can lock this card to reduce the cost of a card you play by 2 pool or blood. Vampires can steal this location as a Ⓓ action; Ventrue get +1 stealth during that action.
The same with "The Shard", but here even Blood costs are discounted, but sicne they are no Mater Cards that cost blood, it must mean that "you" play minion cards that can be discounted by 2 blood.
Only usable during the polling step of a political action.
[Auspex]
Cancel the referendum. If you played a political action card to call this referendum, return it to its owner's hand (discard down afterward).
[Superior Auspex]
Force a vampire to abstain (this can cancel their votes and ballots).
Here its even more explicit: "If you played a political action card" "you" is the playing methuselah, and "political action card" is a minion card.
So if we assume these as default behaviour of the game, that a card played by your minions is implicitly played by "you", the methuselah, that would mean, a Backroom Deals played by a primogen is also played by "you" and you should/could be able to use Victors special to play it "as if here where a camarilla vampire" and therefore give him stealth, as the card now sees him as camarilla.
Backroom Deal
Requires a ready primogen. Only one Backroom Deal can be played each action.
[ACTION MODIFIER]
+1 stealth.
[ACTION MODIFIER]
Only usable by a ready primogen other than the acting Camarilla vampire. The acting Camarilla vampire gets +1 stealth.
following scenario:
You control Victor Gerard (or Vidal Or Mata Hari )
Victor Gerard
Anarch: You and Victor can play cards requiring a Camarilla vampire as if Victor were a Camarilla vampire. While Victor is a Baron, you and Victor can play cards requiring a Prince as if Victor were a Prince.
Backroom Deal is a card requiring a Primogen, therefore implicitly requreing a Camarilla Vampire. [LSJ 20050128]
Can another Primogen you control, play "Backroom Deals" to while Victor Gerard is acting, to give him +1 Stealth?
While on the first glance it seems like a clear "no", since the rolebook clearly says:
Minion cards are played by the minions (vampires and allies) the Methuselah controls.
BUT
there are several cards that refer to minion cards played by "you", either implicitly, or excplicitly:
Powerbase: Tshwane
Master: unique location. Requires a ready Laibon.
Lock this location to reduce the cost of a card you play by 1 pool (this location is not locked if that card is canceled as it is played). Any Laibon may steal this location for his or her controller as a Ⓓ action.
Powerbase Tshwane always has been used to discount the Pool cost of Minion cards, like allies, despit it saysing "cards you play"
The Shard, London
Unique location.
If you have the Edge, you can lock this card to reduce the cost of a card you play by 2 pool or blood. Vampires can steal this location as a Ⓓ action; Ventrue get +1 stealth during that action.
The same with "The Shard", but here even Blood costs are discounted, but sicne they are no Mater Cards that cost blood, it must mean that "you" play minion cards that can be discounted by 2 blood.
Telepathic Vote Counting
Only usable during the polling step of a political action.
[Auspex]
Cancel the referendum. If you played a political action card to call this referendum, return it to its owner's hand (discard down afterward).
[Superior Auspex]
Force a vampire to abstain (this can cancel their votes and ballots).
Here its even more explicit: "If you played a political action card" "you" is the playing methuselah, and "political action card" is a minion card.
So if we assume these as default behaviour of the game, that a card played by your minions is implicitly played by "you", the methuselah, that would mean, a Backroom Deals played by a primogen is also played by "you" and you should/could be able to use Victors special to play it "as if here where a camarilla vampire" and therefore give him stealth, as the card now sees him as camarilla.
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01 Nov 2026 12:15 #118033
by mipopo3




Replied by mipopo3 on topic Is a Minion card also played implcetly by the methuselah?
There should be more than one source for this:
ANK 20201028
ANK 20190228
LSJ 20101013
Best to look at Vlad Tepes on VDB.im
ANK 20201028
ANK 20190228
LSJ 20101013
Best to look at Vlad Tepes on VDB.im
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