Limit master cards?

Jeff wrote:

Poland led the way with decks using Ashurs and other vampires.

yeah we are good in keeping ashur's alive but no one is complaining during the game (I think so, some peaople are just prepared for whats coming )

Ashur's can be really badass but the decks aren't indestructible.

Regards

Jeff wrote:

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Uh, pointing out that someone is giving the impression that their players don't use master cards - which is fundamentally a really bad thing for players to be doing - is neither name-calling nor trolling.

Your logic is sound so the appearance of ad hominem hyperbole is unnecessary.

Hi there! You don't appear to have met Sarcasm! He's just super, and I hope you'll be the best of friends!


Ad hominem is about discrediting the speaker, therefore discrediting their views (even though the views expressed may be sound - but you smell, so your views smell). Pointing out that the speaker's playgroup appear to be playing sub-optimally is not ad hominem, and is absolutely necessary for a discussion in which someone is saying "Playing Wash is hard." Either that, or the playgroup is being misrepresented somehow, in which case it would be helpful to have it clarified. Again, this is not ad hominem. It is precisely about discussing the substance of what is being presented.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Hi there! You don't appear to have met Sarcasm! He's just super, and I hope you'll be the best of friends!

Ad hominem is about discrediting the speaker, therefore discrediting their views (even though the views expressed may be sound - but you smell, so your views smell). Pointing out that the speaker's playgroup appear to be playing sub-optimally is not ad hominem, and is absolutely necessary for a discussion in which someone is saying "Playing Wash is hard." Either that, or the playgroup is being misrepresented somehow, in which case it would be helpful to have it clarified. Again, this is not ad hominem. It is precisely about discussing the substance of what is being presented.

Sarcasm, as a form of ridicule or derision, is an attempt to discredit the speaker, which can be a form of ad hominem. By criticizing his group, you are in effect criticizing him too. It may be justified, but it is not entirely necessary to prove the point.

(And here's a shout out to everyone who is screaming "Irony!" inside their heads now.)

Jeff wrote:

Sarcasm, as a form of ridicule or derision, is an attempt to discredit the speaker, which can be a form of ad hominem.

Or just to criticise something in a humourous way.

(If criticising things is now forbidden, shut the website down now.)

Jeff wrote:

By criticizing his group, you are in effect criticizing him too. It may be justified, but it is not entirely necessary to prove the point.

When someone is saying "I can't play this because no-one in my group plays enough master cards", it is absolutely necessary to directly address why they aren't playing many master cards. This will, necessarily, involve discussing the play of the group (as it has been presented).

Even if presented in a roundabout way, you will still get to the same point - masters are good, you're not playing enough masters, therefore... Simpler just to say: you're missing a trick by not regularly stacking your deck with some of the strongest cards in the game, and Wash is easily playable when people play better decks.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

(If criticising things is now forbidden, shut the website down now.)

Now, this is what clever irony looks like

So, back the topic of master cards : playing wash is not so good because you can't really harm an mmpa deck cross table anyway.

So, for something not already said : if the problem is the mmpa, why not take care of the vampires who provide MMPA ?
Rushing or banishing Nana or Anson should not be so difficult, is it ? Stealing a parthenon or destroying it is not so difficult, is it ? There are plenty of solutions, but the players have to be willing to try them.

Reyda wrote:

jamesatzephyr wrote:

(If criticising things is now forbidden, shut the website down now.)

Now, this is what clever irony looks like

So, back the topic of master cards : playing wash is not so good because you can't really harm an mmpa deck cross table anyway.

So, for something not already said : if the problem is the mmpa, why not take care of the vampires who provide MMPA ?
Rushing or banishing Nana or Anson should not be so difficult, is it ? Stealing a parthenon or destroying it is not so difficult, is it ? There are plenty of solutions, but the players have to be willing to try them.

shhhh! you're ruining my arika "lesser of all evils @ table" alastor deck's surprise factor..... arika comes out, calls alastor, gets a flamethrower, freakdrives, rushes anson, nana. cybele, whoever, freakdrives, graverobs, then i sit and hope the player keeps their parthenon......

in all seriousness, combat helps alot against mmpa decks, but combats biggest weakness is typically its inability to attack pool without dragonbound/fame/tension. so, the combat deck starting as the mmpa deck's predator is in luck, but the crosstable one who gets to it after its set up/ has to "reacharound" their prey or predator isn't in a good spot and has a very hard decision.