[Card ban idea] List

Cat_in_Exile wrote:

Pentex should not be banned. It's sometimes the only thing that can stop a superstar vampire deck, and if you ban it, all sorts of new imbalances will show up.

I think the people who want it banned are being short-sighted.

I think people who are not able to understand that Pentex is bad for game health are short-sighted.

LivesByProxy wrote:

I think Pentex Subversion would be more acceptable / "fair" if it was an Action that your minions took.

LOL.
Would remove the usability in most decks.

No need to, once again, discuss about the removal of a card that stops timeouts and resolves tables.

Why not discuss some other card that stop timeouts and resolve tables and is actually fair?

Lech wrote:

Why not discuss some other card that stop timeouts and resolve tables and is actually fair?

You had previously been arguing that Pentex is overpowered and thus unhealthy. But this "unfair" claim is new. Pentex costs a master phase action and 2 pool, can be removed, and can be contested. The effect is certainly strong, and I will not/cannot speak to how unhealthy the strength of the effect is at the tournament level. But how is the card unfair?

LivesByProxy wrote:

I think Pentex Subversion would be more acceptable / "fair" if it was an Action that your minions took.

This already exists (Sensory Deprivation).

TwoRazorReign wrote:

This already exists (Sensory Deprivation).

And we can all agree the amount of Sense-dep that we see at any level of the game is infinitely smaller than the amount of Pentex Subversion.

Large capacity vampires, generally speaking, are bad. They cost a lot, take lots of time to enter the game, and often just have extra disciplines to make up for the cost that don't get used. Sure there are stand-outs, and maybe Pentex exists to deal with Enkidu or Una. Overall, Pentex means that playing any large capacity vampire is very risky.

The counter play is to play small-mid range vamps or to play 1-2 copies of Pentex to contest.I don't like this by design: a card that becomes an "auto-include" takes all of the decision making out of building a deck. Similarly, if you're playing Dominate you don't make a decision between scouting and govern, you will just play govern. You don't make a decision between redirection and deflection, you play deflection. The cards are objectively better.

I'm still wondering why you're (TwoRazorReign) so adamant to argue on this thread. You've already stated that you aren't interested in playing competitively. If anything changed it would be in the competitive environment. You have no reason to argue except to be contrary.