Deck Challenge - Girls will find I'm no pushover

How about a Gehenna deck?

Rising, The

Event

Gehenna. Do not replace until your prey is ousted.
Requires at least two other Gehenna cards in play. A Methuselah cannot gain pool during his or her own turn unless he or she has the Edge or at least one victory point. Any pool he or she would gain goes to the bank instead.

BeAst wrote:

A while back on the NG, Jeff/Adonai/TheLasombra (I'll stick to just Adonai from now) posted a deck challenge dedicated to breaking the growth of !ven grinders that were a big trend on the tournament scene.
In a similar vein this challenge is to break the "Girls will find" archetype that Erik et al have been playing. Its main constituent features are:

Cybele - for her 2 MPA
Aksinya Daclau - for her bleed bounce special
Ashur tablets - for pool gain and card recursion
Liquidation - for pool gain, and with vital cards being recovered by Ashurs
LOTS of masters - for bounce fodder and for Cybele to leverage
Minimal other cards, which can always be recycled through Ashurs.

Your challenge is twofold - firstly to make a deck that can beat the girls as prey, or predator; and secondly a deck that is viable in its own right.

My overtaxed brain suggests these as possibilities -

Light intercept/ lots of bounce - "Girls" works on ousting through bleeds at light stealth.
lots of pool damage - To combat its bloating. Powerbleed? Big poli actions?
Anti master/ashurs sniping tech - to break the main bloat module
Tapping tech - to stop Aksinya bouncing
Combat - to kill its minions and make it choke on cards

There's no prize other than a sage nod from your peers.

ta
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hunfragment.blogspot.com/2011/05/deck-idea-stop-girls.html

Deck Name : Africans Don't Like the Girls
Author : Juggernaut1981
Description : Breed them little babies with Jibade so you can go forward with Dream World. The plan to use against "The Girls" is to use Exile at inferior (forwards) or superior (backwards).

Should just generally work well, plus the Force of Personalities combined with Forced March and actions like the Exiles should land just fine.


Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 9 average: 7.66667

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4x Jibade el-Bahrawi 9 CEL DEM FOR PRE aus Ishtarri:4
2x Undele 9 CEL FOR obf pre ser magaji Ishtarri:5
2x Luanda Magere 8 CEL PRE PRO for Ishtarri:4
1x Ganhuru 7 FOR PRE cel pro Ishtarri:4
1x Agru Kabera 6 FOR cel nec pre Ishtarri:4
1x Elizabeth Conde 5 CEL FOR pre Ishtarri:4
1x Kenyatta 4 cel for pre Ishtarri:4


Library [71 cards]

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Action [20]
8x Bamba
2x Dream World
6x Exile
2x Propaganda
2x Well-Marked

Action Modifier [12]
6x Forced March
6x Freak Drive

Action Modifier / Combat [8]
8x Force of Personality

Combat [8]
8x Majesty

Event [1]
1x Uncoiling, The

Master [18]
2x Not to Be
10x Orun
2x Perfectionist
4x Tribute to the Master

Retainer [4]
2x Ilomba
2x Swarm

Ye that will work. As I posted way early in the thread, many smaller bleeds of 1 or 2 is the "best" way to beat girls. A proper vote deck will do fine as well; I'm fairly convinced an Undele powered KRC-engine will kill it faster than it gains pool.

Let's be realistic for a moment here. A Girls deck will play Villein, sure. But surely every other decent deck has some sort of tech to recuperate the cost of its minions as well. The girls are no special exception here. I Villein my Arika for 8 too, you know.

The average girls deck will play 9-12 Ashur Tablets. It's realistic to see three combo's going off for another 9 "bonus pool" compared to other decks. This extra pool is very much comparable to stuff like Superior Governs, Gang Territory's, Voter Cap, Art Scam, Haqim's Law etc etc. Surely that's all scenario's you consider when building a deck.

The only REAL EXTRA pool comes from the Liquidations. Playing more than 4 of those in a game is a stretch. That's 12 pool. One extra pool per turn. Not THAT big a deal.

I believe people are too focused on the Ashur/Liquidation stuff. I mean, sure it's good, but it's not what makes this deck so annoying. Askinya is.

What Aksinya does is give you access to infinite bleed bounce (limited to one per turn obviously), allows you to counter other people's bounce, turn that into offense for you AND it allows you to flush all sorts of unwanted cards out of your hand. Get a way around her special (by, for example tapping her or simply not bleeding) and suddenly you'll find yourself able to pressure/oust a Girls deck without having to resort to fancy Trochomancy tech.

And then finally there is the "table" argument. The other people at the table need to understand that it's ok if the girls get ousted. For some reason people tend to try and stall ousts forever and ever with crosstable Parity Shift pool, crosstable rushes, endless torpor rescues etc etc. The girls THRIVE in the scenario that if they get into ousting range early on, someone will help them. I can understand this somewhat if it's your prey getting the six pool right before you get him, but what good is stopping an oust if it just means someone THAT IS NOT YOU will get the gamewin?

Izaak wrote:

What Aksinya does is give you access to infinite bleed bounce (limited to one per turn obviously), allows you to counter other people's bounce, turn that into offense for you AND it allows you to flush all sorts of unwanted cards out of your hand. Get a way around her special (by, for example tapping her or simply not bleeding) and suddenly you'll find yourself able to pressure/oust a Girls deck without having to resort to fancy Trochomancy tech.

And then finally there is the "table" argument. The other people at the table need to understand that it's ok if the girls get ousted. For some reason people tend to try and stall ousts forever and ever with crosstable Parity Shift pool, crosstable rushes, endless torpor rescues etc etc. The girls THRIVE in the scenario that if they get into ousting range early on, someone will help them. I can understand this somewhat if it's your prey getting the six pool right before you get him, but what good is stopping an oust if it just means someone THAT IS NOT YOU will get the gamewin?

This so true. I never understood why people try to desperately keep others alive and often start playing against the guy who is close to the first vp. For those players who play like that: the less players there are on the table the less resources you need to get rid of everybody else! 1GW 5VP's a dream which rarely come true and I think can't be achieved by skill. 1GW 5VP's is almost always plain luck with the seating and mistakes made by others. The goal you can achieve without or little luck is 1GW 3VP's or sometimes 1GW 4VP's.

If you want to win you might want the strongest deck to die. The girls are very strong.

Something else: I realized that Aksinya is the main powerhouse, that's why I went for Mind Rape. The deck I designed is a version that is good against Girls (hopefully), but is also good against everything else (well, sort of). Regardless of the Girls I would play 5 Suddens in every bleed deck these days.

I would think weenie dementation bleed can take them out, while also being overall very strong deck againt anything. My version uses 1-6 cap vampires, and can bleed with each one for 2-4 consistently, which should be able to outdamage any bloat, and in addition it pretty much gains pool with each bleed itself so it can outbloat most predators while going full forward.