Fatima leads the revolt

Fair enough

Think this is the version that will be tried out. Dom weenies for deflection and to bleed out the prey with Steely Tenacities at dom when Fatima (hopefully) clears the ready region :

Crypt [12 vampires]

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4x Fatima al-Faqadi
4x Anarch Convert
1x Christine Boscacci
1x Samson
1x Ohanna
1x Mustafa Rahman

Library [80 cards]

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Action [12]
3x Steely Tenacity
1x Bum's Rush
4x Clandestine Contract
1x Khabar: Glory
2x Nose of the Hound
1x Loss

Action Modifier [8]
4x Forced March
4x Freak Drive


Action Modifier/Combat [4]
4x Swallowed by the Night

Action Modifier/Reaction [2]
2x Provision of the Silsila

Combat [23]
7x Diversion
4x Groundfighting
8x Psyche!
4x Taste of Vitae

Equipment [8]
6x Assault Rifle
1x Ivory Bow
1x Blade of Enoch


Reaction : [6]
1x Delaying tactics
5x Deflection

Event [1]
1x Dragonbound

Master [16]
5x Anarch Revolt
2x Vessel
1x Fortitude
1x Monster
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
2x Fame
1x Tension in the ranks
1x Wider View
1x Twilight Camp
1x Seattle Comitee

I think another question to add to the sticky checklist would be "What parts of the deck are crucial to theme or experiment?" Which would avoid confusion like this in the future. There is a difference between aspiring to a more competitive deck in general v. a more competitive version of a particular experiment.

By the way, I haven't heard all that great success with Dragonbound. I heard the hand anchor generally isn't worth it. How badly do you need to have the right hand setup?

I don't know how much you really need that Seattle Committee or Fortitude master. Do you need sup Freak or sup Forced March that badly? An extra Vessel for your weenies to farm pool for you seems more productive.

How prevalent is Scourge of the Enochians? Is this just a test, because I'd try dom tha weenies soon, as so many of them are 3+ cap. Being able to Magic of the Smith out an Assault Rifle sounds sweet. Then you can toss a CrimethInc to see if you have the pool for it. They'd also run off of your Diversions as a defensive combat card. I think it's a more engaging experiment than seeing whether dom weenies can deflect your sorrows away.

To be true, i had the same worry about dragonbound. It reduces my hand to 6. Now, imagine i rushed with Steely tenacity - that is handsize 5, and i played Groundfighing to go to long - handsize 4. That i believe might hurt me bad... Still, i do not know, really, without testing, how important dragonbound can indeed be. It has a potential that, with the right setup, get me a VP or even GW, but is it worth the risk??? Without actually playing the deck , i really cannot say

Scourge is not so prevalent. Almost never in regular week-to-week play. Not even in tournaments anymore, as i have seen a trend of dying of weenie decks and moving to bigcaps that can be villeined and stuff. Mind you, some do appear, but to fight it i would have to pack a Uncoiling (prayer, though also useful against Anthelies/Unmaskings), or go with 3-caps (which are also plenty in g1/2/3)

I Think i need Seattle committee, as here i would like for all my vamps to be anarch, to be able to bleed with steely tenacity. Do i need fortitude master?? I don't know, not without testing the deck. There is only so much you can theory craft...

I have noted the idea about Tremere/!Tremere support, but am still fiddling with card ratios. Though it seems too pool engaging, but i will give it a run also. For this week, i will try to play with both original version, and dom weenies version a couple of games, to see how it rolls. Maybe then i can come to some more accurate conclusions about what i need/ don't need

I think Dragonbound is very strong when your deck has good permanents and equipment in play and you don't rely much on card combos. So it's a perfect match for Fatima's special ability.

and I strongly agree with Johannes that Fatima's special ability is the reason you pay the extra pool for her. you want to use that special as much as possible, instead of it being a one-time Disguised Weapon (compare this to the awful never-played vampire Jack Dawson)

Haze wrote:

and I strongly agree with Johannes that Fatima's special ability is the reason you pay the extra pool for her. you want to use that special as much as possible, instead of it being a one-time Disguised Weapon (compare this to the awful never-played vampire Jack Dawson)

Well...I can't really agree. I played a version of this (without the anarch angle) many many moons ago, and I really don't think it's very good. Superstar multi rush in general is something I've given up on, after having tried to make it work with many different decks.

That said, Fatima does bring more to the table than just a built-in Disguised Weapon. And it's worth noting that even if you do only use her special once all game, that's still better than it might initially seem; to get a similar effect without her, you need to expend 6-8 card slots and some hand-juggling to get that effect, so it's not like it's just a single copy of Disguised Weapon that you don't have to play.

She's also Assamite, and while they've got a terrible discipline spread, they've got hotsauce clan cards. For multirush that doesn't use Grapple, Clandestine Contract is actually pretty good. Non-Assamite multirush decks would need to have an untap action mod and another rush card in hand if the initial rush is foiled by S:CE; Fattie can get away with just the untap due to the weird wording on CC. Provision is also very handy to have in multirush decks.

She's also got Auspex, which is good for Nose of the Hound. These days, it's better to have off-clan Animalism for Sense Death and Taunt the Beastie (and Deep Song if you've got it at ANI), but back before those cards were printed, that basic Auspex helped to expand her range of rush options, which is important to multirush.

The bigger problem is that these days, she's just not as good as some of the other superstar multirush candidates out there - that 9-cap !Salubri with POT, +2 strength and the built-in Freak Drive nearly made me give in to the urge to try multirush again.

okay, to put it another way, what does Fatima have that Tariq the Silent doesn't? that dude is better for multirush in almost every way, and he can even bounce bleeds! and he's one pool cheaper for some reason.

a Tariq deck will use his rush ability + diablerie ability + blood hunt immunity at least once every turn. Fatima using her ability once per game for an Assault Rifle isn't getting nearly the same "card advantage" or whatever. Fatima can't try to be another Tariq, so she needs a different path to succeed.

now I actually want to try to build a Jack Dawson deck, even though he's weaker than Fatima.