Fatima leads the revolt
28 Apr 2012 08:48 - 28 Apr 2012 08:48 #28890
by Azel
Replied by Azel on topic Re: Fatima leads the revolt
Pare down (I'd just dump) the Clandestine Contracts. I don't see enough support to warrant fussing with 4 copies. At the very least a Black Throne.
You don't seem to be going for much anarch tech beyond Anarch Revolt, Diversion and Groundfighting. I'd like at least an Anarch Free Press. Blood Turnip should really be in here, I agree.
The two FOR masters seem extraneous. 2 Vessels (and a lone DT reaction) leaves me worrying about your pool. 1 Provision & 4 Tastes with Freak and Monster expenses... notice for me if Fatima stays dangerously thirsty.
You don't seem to be going for much anarch tech beyond Anarch Revolt, Diversion and Groundfighting. I'd like at least an Anarch Free Press. Blood Turnip should really be in here, I agree.
The two FOR masters seem extraneous. 2 Vessels (and a lone DT reaction) leaves me worrying about your pool. 1 Provision & 4 Tastes with Freak and Monster expenses... notice for me if Fatima stays dangerously thirsty.
Last edit: 28 Apr 2012 08:48 by Azel.
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28 Apr 2012 08:48 #28892
by Ohlmann
Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: Fatima leads the revolt
If you fear having too much master, wouldn't having some Constant revolution remplacing some Anarch revolt help ? Both are table-wide pool damage, Constant revolution is significantly slower and somehow more fragile, but they don't seem too different.
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28 Apr 2012 08:59 - 28 Apr 2012 09:04 #28893
by Pendargon
Replied by Pendargon on topic Re: Fatima leads the revolt
Nope
constant revolution hits everyone, like smiling jack, is more easily removed ( i cannot block), and it can even help people cycle their hands when bad.
@ Azel
Well, the idea IS that you will not be hit back, with maneuvers and prevents to conserve blood. Contracts are a must. People who do not play assamites do not see it usually, but the minion , once contracted, Really tends to stay down permanently, because people cross table know better to rescue them. It avoids that thing :"I will rescue, maybe he does not have rush". Black throne is not needed, definitely.
Some backrushing will be needed, definitely. Stealth-bleed predator must die first, obviously. Also, delaying tactic is there to perhaps prevent burning a revolt, if no harmful politics is on the table.
For masters are also kinda important, giving Fatima superior freaks and Forced marchs
constant revolution hits everyone, like smiling jack, is more easily removed ( i cannot block), and it can even help people cycle their hands when bad.
@ Azel
Well, the idea IS that you will not be hit back, with maneuvers and prevents to conserve blood. Contracts are a must. People who do not play assamites do not see it usually, but the minion , once contracted, Really tends to stay down permanently, because people cross table know better to rescue them. It avoids that thing :"I will rescue, maybe he does not have rush". Black throne is not needed, definitely.
Some backrushing will be needed, definitely. Stealth-bleed predator must die first, obviously. Also, delaying tactic is there to perhaps prevent burning a revolt, if no harmful politics is on the table.
For masters are also kinda important, giving Fatima superior freaks and Forced marchs







Last edit: 28 Apr 2012 09:04 by Pendargon.
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28 Apr 2012 09:48 #28896
by Izaak
Replied by Izaak on topic Re: Fatima leads the revolt
Steely Tenacity avoids the problem with "maybe he doesn't have rush". Also the poolcost of Clandestine Contracts is a significant problem when you are already spending 13 pool to even get started.
Archon Investigation is pointless. It's like 1 in 80 cards and it will not help you in the slightest against a bleed predator; you're still going to end up going backwards 2 out of 3 actions.
With only 6 Freak Drives in there, two fortitude masters seems excessive and a waste of deckspace. Either go up to like 15 Freak Drives or just get rid of the skillcards.
Also, your deck has 9 untaps before monster (which at 1 in 80 cards is prayer at best). That means, in a perfect world where you never get blocked (which will happen because people throw up chump blockers) you get -on average, in said perfect world- two rushes per turn. About 18 in total. So, since about 10 of those will have to go backwards to not die, what does your gameplan look like?
Some other questions that spring to mind:
What is Aranthebes for? What's the Loss for? What's the Blade of Enoch for? Where is the Ghoul Retainer? What will do you when Fatima gets a Pentex? What will you do when your Assault Rifle gets destroyed? I suppose it's acceptable to not have a plan B, but when your plan A is kinda wonky, unstable and generally bad, it's probably a good idea to have a backup plan.
What is your deck supposed to do? What is your goal? If it's to be a twat at the table, then it's a great deck. If it´s supposed to get a VP or two or maybe even win a game, then you should probably go back to the drawing board.
What this deck can currently do, is make your predator miserable, make your prey unable to go forward because he has to keep rescuing his anarch and randomly awards the table to your grandprey or grandpredator depending on what they play.
Archon Investigation is pointless. It's like 1 in 80 cards and it will not help you in the slightest against a bleed predator; you're still going to end up going backwards 2 out of 3 actions.
With only 6 Freak Drives in there, two fortitude masters seems excessive and a waste of deckspace. Either go up to like 15 Freak Drives or just get rid of the skillcards.
Also, your deck has 9 untaps before monster (which at 1 in 80 cards is prayer at best). That means, in a perfect world where you never get blocked (which will happen because people throw up chump blockers) you get -on average, in said perfect world- two rushes per turn. About 18 in total. So, since about 10 of those will have to go backwards to not die, what does your gameplan look like?
Some other questions that spring to mind:
What is Aranthebes for? What's the Loss for? What's the Blade of Enoch for? Where is the Ghoul Retainer? What will do you when Fatima gets a Pentex? What will you do when your Assault Rifle gets destroyed? I suppose it's acceptable to not have a plan B, but when your plan A is kinda wonky, unstable and generally bad, it's probably a good idea to have a backup plan.
What is your deck supposed to do? What is your goal? If it's to be a twat at the table, then it's a great deck. If it´s supposed to get a VP or two or maybe even win a game, then you should probably go back to the drawing board.
What this deck can currently do, is make your predator miserable, make your prey unable to go forward because he has to keep rescuing his anarch and randomly awards the table to your grandprey or grandpredator depending on what they play.
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28 Apr 2012 09:56 #28897
by Ohlmann
Well, the anarch revolt also can be removed, so if there is no other anarch deck, you need a lot of table talk to convince your cross table buddy not to help remove them. Going anarch became more advantageous if you play at least 2-3 anarch revolt AND the player in question does not fear having you as predator.
Of course, it's meta dependant. With the people I usually play with, I would not put much hope in the revolt staying on table
Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: Fatima leads the revolt
constant revolution hits everyone, like smiling jack, is more easily removed ( i cannot block), and it can even help people cycle their hands when bad.
Well, the anarch revolt also can be removed, so if there is no other anarch deck, you need a lot of table talk to convince your cross table buddy not to help remove them. Going anarch became more advantageous if you play at least 2-3 anarch revolt AND the player in question does not fear having you as predator.
Of course, it's meta dependant. With the people I usually play with, I would not put much hope in the revolt staying on table
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28 Apr 2012 10:16 #28898
by Pendargon
1. Archon investigation is never pointless. In my experience, and your mileage may vary, i have always found it useful, if for nothing as a first discard. Makes people think twice
2. Contract is contract. A stance that it is bad because it is one pool is really wonky at best. I will rather pay one pool one time , then a blood each time for Steely tenacity. Also, minion with a contract stays down, usually. Good luck persuading people to cross-rescue you empty vampire with the contract on.
3. Ghoul retainer? Really? For 2 pool, in a deck that fights at long rage? And 1 pool for contract is a lot to you? You gotta be kidding me... Aranthebes is maybe questionable, as indeed Fatima can remove opposing aranthebes more easily. Blade Of enoch is very important, it stops terror frenzy, drawing out the beast and Rothsreck, you know, stuff that ruins my game. I choose it over sire's index finger because Fatima can equip it with its text. Loss is obviously, to destroy locations, equipments or opportune bleed. It basically doubles up as rush. Secure heaven, i go destroy it. Ankara? I go destroy that too. Heart of nichetus, i will try to loss it.
Also, most rushes are at +1 stealth, so chumpblocking is a smidgeon more difficult.
Asking what will i do if Fatima gets pentexed is a moot question. You can ask that for any superstar deck, and the answer is always the same - i will have a tough time. There is really no answer to this when playing a deck like this. I will try to remove it with my wee ones. I will try to talk to the table and offer rushes to the people that remove pentex... that kind of stuff. What will i do if my gun gets blown off??? I will equip another one, and cryingly pay 5 more pool... You can't win them all, Charlie Brown.
I will disagree with you Izaak about this deck's inability to win tables. I have seen Non-anarch versions of this win tables. I did not invent hot water here, it is an old concept. I just wanted to add some anarchy into it
Replied by Pendargon on topic Re: Fatima leads the revolt
Steely Tenacity avoids the problem with "maybe he doesn't have rush". Also the poolcost of Clandestine Contracts is a significant problem when you are already spending 13 pool to even get started.
Archon Investigation is pointless. It's like 1 in 80 cards and it will not help you in the slightest against a bleed predator; you're still going to end up going backwards 2 out of 3 actions.
With only 6 Freak Drives in there, two fortitude masters seems excessive and a waste of deckspace. Either go up to like 15 Freak Drives or just get rid of the skillcards.
Also, your deck has 9 untaps before monster (which at 1 in 80 cards is prayer at best). That means, in a perfect world where you never get blocked (which will happen because people throw up chump blockers) you get -on average, in said perfect world- two rushes per turn. About 18 in total. So, since about 10 of those will have to go backwards to not die, what does your gameplan look like?
Some other questions that spring to mind:
What is Aranthebes for? What's the Loss for? What's the Blade of Enoch for? Where is the Ghoul Retainer? What will do you when Fatima gets a Pentex? What will you do when your Assault Rifle gets destroyed? I suppose it's acceptable to not have a plan B, but when your plan A is kinda wonky, unstable and generally bad, it's probably a good idea to have a backup plan.
What is your deck supposed to do? What is your goal? If it's to be a twat at the table, then it's a great deck. If it´s supposed to get a VP or two or maybe even win a game, then you should probably go back to the drawing board.
What this deck can currently do, is make your predator miserable, make your prey unable to go forward because he has to keep rescuing his anarch and randomly awards the table to your grandprey or grandpredator depending on what they play.
1. Archon investigation is never pointless. In my experience, and your mileage may vary, i have always found it useful, if for nothing as a first discard. Makes people think twice
2. Contract is contract. A stance that it is bad because it is one pool is really wonky at best. I will rather pay one pool one time , then a blood each time for Steely tenacity. Also, minion with a contract stays down, usually. Good luck persuading people to cross-rescue you empty vampire with the contract on.
3. Ghoul retainer? Really? For 2 pool, in a deck that fights at long rage? And 1 pool for contract is a lot to you? You gotta be kidding me... Aranthebes is maybe questionable, as indeed Fatima can remove opposing aranthebes more easily. Blade Of enoch is very important, it stops terror frenzy, drawing out the beast and Rothsreck, you know, stuff that ruins my game. I choose it over sire's index finger because Fatima can equip it with its text. Loss is obviously, to destroy locations, equipments or opportune bleed. It basically doubles up as rush. Secure heaven, i go destroy it. Ankara? I go destroy that too. Heart of nichetus, i will try to loss it.
Also, most rushes are at +1 stealth, so chumpblocking is a smidgeon more difficult.
Asking what will i do if Fatima gets pentexed is a moot question. You can ask that for any superstar deck, and the answer is always the same - i will have a tough time. There is really no answer to this when playing a deck like this. I will try to remove it with my wee ones. I will try to talk to the table and offer rushes to the people that remove pentex... that kind of stuff. What will i do if my gun gets blown off??? I will equip another one, and cryingly pay 5 more pool... You can't win them all, Charlie Brown.
I will disagree with you Izaak about this deck's inability to win tables. I have seen Non-anarch versions of this win tables. I did not invent hot water here, it is an old concept. I just wanted to add some anarchy into it







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