Two levels of the game

Lönkka wrote:

I'm so with Ashur here.

As well as growing even more tired than usually to elotar's whining... (apologies for bluntess!)

I am with both of you too...
As I already said my two kids (9 and 11) know how to play the game as it is now.

And my daughter even told me when Inexlained about those topics "But with all those changes, that won't be VtES any more !!!"

Vlad wrote:

I am with both of you too...
As I already said my two kids (9 and 11) know how to play the game as it is now.

There are three of you + your two kids - if nobody from your group will drop the game then you'll got a full table! Located in different countries, as I understand. Lol.

Ashur wrote:

I propose the rules to be pretty much as is.

Rules as it is are totally unacceptable for any commercial product.
Have you seen rules questions subforum? There are at the time 1268 topics with 9679 replies and new ones are still coming.
And that is for a game "in torpor", when there are few new cards and 10+ years of rules clarifications by LSJ at newsgroup.

At EC, where there was experienced players with established decks, we got several situations, where the game has to be stopped while counsil of judges desides on the rulings of such basic things as interaction of couple of cards.

Ashur wrote:

As you have stated several times, it is the cheer amout of cards to learn (and buy) that scares off most. In my experience.

Why do you think that your experience is a universal one? Actually you should think the opposite, because, as I understand, there are no other places in the world with the VtES comunity resembling what do you have in Scandinavia.

elotar wrote:

a format allowing almost all Mtg cards" with the banlist in mind (currently 34 cards out of 16 000+ cards!). I did not say anything about the number of each card allowed in a deck. Do you misunderstand me because you want to?

I understood you, I think you misunderstood me. The format, allowing all cards with the limit of 1 copy of each with an exactly 120 cards in a library and 20 cards in a crypt ets (VtES analogue of MTG Commander) for me got nothing to do with VtES even if there will be the same cards and same gameplay rules. So it has nothing to do here in the discussion about future of VtES.

Ashur wrote:

elotar wrote:

Have you seen rules questions subforum? There are at the time 1268 topics with 9679 replies and new ones are still coming.

Of which 75 % are totally stupid, clarifying things that are totally obvious to any thinking person.

Please, provide some basis on which you now called authors of 951 questions (hundred+ fellow players) stupid (unthinking persons?) or withdraw this accusation. Than we can continue discussion. I'm started to be a little bit tired too.