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27 Jun 2026 13:40 #117284 by Kilrauko
Replied by Kilrauko on topic Call of the Great Beast and self-contest

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I don't get it?

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That much is obvious, allow me try to spell it out for you as much as I'm able given the limited time.

You are methusaleh A at 15 pool, your only vampire in play is 11 cap anarch Call the Great Beast who has chosen superior Presence, Temporis and Quietus. They have five blood on them. In addition your prey Methusaleh B has played Barrenness at Maleficia level on your controlled Call the Great Beast, they have no minions in play and are at 25 pool. You have played four master disciplines on your controlled Call the Great Beast, they are 2 Obfuscate, 2 Dementation. In your uncontrolled region is vampire banished by methuselah C.That vampire is Call the Great beast with superior presence, temporis and quietus chosen but without the disciplines played on them and they have 8 blood on them. Your crypt is empty as all the other vampires you had have been Graverobbed across the table to methuselah D who has then played The Name Forgotten equally on them and used one to diablerize another resulting in your crypt becoming empty. In your ash heap you have 4 Call the Great Beasts and other cards there have been burned away by Trochomancy by your predator methuselah E who has attempted to bleed you but can no longer do that due to having no minions.

1) You have Summon history in your hand, you decide to play it at superior at 0 blood, what happens? You complete the action successfully and search for 0 capacity vampire but as there is no targets you can find, you can not put vampire to play.

2) You have Undue Influence in your hand, you decide to play it at quietus, what happens?
You are trying to put vampire into play with sterile vampire. Despite your arguments how Sterile is just a word on Barrenness and it does not say anything about not being able to put vampire into play judge rules you are cheating as you have been in argument over it at VEKN forum, clearly know the rules and are deliberately mispotraying the rules, you get 163. Cheating - Fraud and disqualification without Prize as there should be zero tolerance for this type of activity.

3) You have Call the Great Beast at hand, you decide to play it, what happens?
You are trying to put vampire into play that self contests. Despite your arguments how you are not putting vampire into play judge rules you are cheating as you have been in argument over it at VEKN forum, clearly know the rules and are deliberately mispotraying the rules, you get 163. Cheating - Fraud and disqualification without Prize as there should be zero tolerance for this type of activity.

4) You have Undue Influence in your hand, you decide to play it at presence, what happens? You bleed successfully and add 1 blood to the chosen vampire.

Compare the end results and you might see how they are not similar and in fact different. You can also see why it's important that rules questions are not left with what if or mayhaps answers as their consequences to new players during tournament play might be quite harsh, hence Ankha has not changed their first reply to the question and if there is a change, it will be clearly marked and announced.

Feel free to ponder the difference of the above scenario if there was no Barrenness on your vampire and if the vampire in your uncontrolled region was instead Annazir at 8 blood that escaped the Name Forgotten due to being only copy you own.
How would Undue Influence work at quietus?
How would Call the Great Beast?

Notice the difference and what is the limiting factor. Now take the discipline cards away but change the Banished vampire back to Call the Great Beast at 8 blood.
How would Undue Influence work at quietus?
How would Call the Great Beast when the calling vampire is at 9 capacity?
Notice what actions put vampires into play, when and how.

Please read this reply carefully, use proxy cards to play it out if you have hard time following what is happening in the example. Read the card texts, as there are multiples I have put them behind spoiler this time, they are paramount to understanding this. Do not attempt to shorten them, change their locations or invent your own layouts while going through the scenario outlines as this is not suggestions thread, but a rules question thread that deals with the game as it is now.

Warning: Spoiler!
Trust in Jan Pieterzoon.

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