Uses for Jack of Both Sides

yeah, Concealed Weapon is better for getting weapons. it's practically a free action, which is far more valuable than converting 1 blood into 1 pool.

if you just want the extra stealth, Anonymous Freight might be the better card.

here's an idea I had: use Jack of Both sides to get around No Repeat Action restrictions, if there's something you want lots of copies of. Hazimel employs Raptor, Freak Drive to untap, then Jack of Both Sides to get a 2nd Raptor in the same turn.

Or use windham, magic of thesmith for Ankara, then next turn magic for flak jacket, freak drive, Jack a flak jacket, freak drive, then hard will one. you can nod them to whoever or just use trap plus combat shotgun with ger.
but thatsstill less than optimal.

TorranceCircle wrote:

Have you found an effective use for this card?

Is it not worth the card slot?

What are your thoughts?

Jack of Both Sides
Action
cost: 1 blood
+2 stealth action. Requires a ready vampire.
This vampire equips or employs an equipment or retainer from your hand. The cost of that card is reduced by 1 pool or by up to 2 blood.

Two quick clarifications:

1) If you use Jack to equip something, does this make it an "equip" action? This is important for NRA PAC, Carmen, Samedi, etc. Similarly, if you use it for a retainer, does that make it a "recruit retainer" action?

2) Do you have to announce what you are using the card for (i.e. "I am playing Jack of Both Sides to equip with an Ivory Bow at 2 stealth. Blocks?").

It seems like a card that might function similarly to Charming Lobby (that is, without it resulting in a vote).

Here's Charming Lobby for reference:

Charming Lobby
Action
+1 stealth political action.

 This vampire calls a referendum listed on a political action card in your hand (play that card) or allowed by an effect in play. If the referendum passes, then the next referendum called by any vampire thereafter passes automatically.

 As above, and this vampire gains 2 votes in that first referendum.

brandonsantacruz wrote:

1) If you use Jack to equip something, does this make it an "equip" action? This is important for NRA PAC, Carmen, Samedi, etc. Similarly, if you use it for a retainer, does that make it a "recruit retainer" action?

Yes it does, it says so on the card itself (This vampire equips or employs an equipment or retainer from your hand)
The same is with the cards like Magic of the Smith or Muricia's Call.

NRA PAC wouldn't work, for example, if your vamp gets equipment via successful diablerie, but it sure works with cards that make your vamp equip from wherever.

Card Text. "This vampire equips or employs an equipment or retainer from your hand."

Further Charming Lobby has card text that makes you play your in-hand vote card, unlike JoBS.

Also, sequence of events answers when terms are set.

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Re: Questions re: Jack of Both Sides < Prev Next >
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vtesrep
Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:02 am |
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floppyzedolfin wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2:55 am, Dasein <dasein2...@...> wrote:
> Sequence of evenements is :
> - Announce wich minion plays which action card.
> - Announce the terms of the action card, if any (inferior / superior
> level, cards targetted for Sudario Refraction or Jack, ...)
> - You tap your minon when doing one of the 2 points above.
> - At that moment, any one could call ask for a check that the
> equipment / retainer you announced for your Jack is in your 6 card
> hand)
> - Wait for Direct Intervention.
> - Replace the action card.
> - Play any "As the action is announced" cards as you want.

Correct, except that tapping comes after DI (that is, if the action card is
DI'ed, the minion doesn't tap).

...

>> For
>> example can someone wait until I declare what equipment/retainer card
>> is before they decide to Direct Intervention the Jack of Both Sides?
>
> There's no time window before the terms declaration to play a Direct
> Intervention.
>
>> Does the equipment retainer card stay in my hand or go onto the table
>> while block attempts are being made / resolved?
>
> While the action is not succesful, the equipment / retainer remains in
> your hand. As a result of the succesful action, put the equipment /
> retainer on the minion.
>
> By the way, the "announce the target card / wait for direct
> intervention / replace card" is the same for Concealed Weapon.

Correct.