file Regarding unplayable or overpowered cards

11 Mar 2013 12:22 - 11 Mar 2013 12:24 #45973 by Amenophobis

Proposed card text for eyes of the dead

Only usable during a D action against a vampire in torpor

:nec: For the duration of this action, any ready vampire (minion maybe?) may attempt to block with +1 intercept ignoring the usual predator/prey relationship restriction.
:NEC: As above, but with +2 intercept.


note that it now gives a temporary "eagle sight" to any potential blocker, and that it also trumps graverobbing or josette's special. ;)


Question: is your intention that tapped vampires can block without e.g. WwEF when this card is played?

Let me expand:

Only usable during a (D) action targetting a vampire in torpor. Usable by a tapped vampire.
:nec: For the duration of this action, any vampire may attempt to block with +2 intercept as if untapped, even if intercept is not yet needed, ignoring the normal prey, predator or target restrictions for blocking actions.
:NEC: This vampire burns 1 blood to cause the action to fail.

It's also a defense against Nephandi, Amam and Gregory Winter!
Last edit: 11 Mar 2013 12:24 by Amenophobis.

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11 Mar 2013 14:07 - 11 Mar 2013 14:08 #45982 by Reyda

Only usable during a D action against a vampire in torpor

I guess it´s this bit that makes the card unplayable.


Because diablerie, rescuing, Graverobbing and others don't happen in the game? At all? I see vampires rescued left and right very often. Blocking the rescue can be very handy. Blocking a Graverobbing is very good.


I think you misunderstood ashur, who is agreeing that the card is weak if it concerns only diablerie.

but yes, the point was : if you can disrupt a graverobbing or cross table rescue, the card definitely has its uses !!
It can trump Baltimore purge decks, and also has uses in a bruise and bleed deck because "no, you don't rescue" :p

I agree it would not be overpowered but would have its uses nonetheless

Question: is your intention that tapped vampires can block without e.g. WwEF when this card is played?


Not the intent. Only remove restriction about who blocks ;)

Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier
Last edit: 11 Mar 2013 14:08 by Reyda.

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11 Mar 2013 14:50 #45985 by Ohlmann

and also has uses in a bruise and bleed deck because "no, you don't rescue" :p


Which is why it wouldn't happen, by the way. I am not sure it would be powerful, but it would allow complete player shutdown worst than Pentex.

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11 Mar 2013 14:54 #45988 by Reyda

and also has uses in a bruise and bleed deck because "no, you don't rescue" :p


Which is why it wouldn't happen, by the way. I am not sure it would be powerful, but it would allow complete player shutdown worst than Pentex.


OH NOES THE CARD IS SUDDENLY OVERBROKEN OHMAGAD §!!§1

mmm, you know that rescuing is not subject to NRA ?
and the fact that the action is blocked does not prevent another vampire from trying ?

Imagination is our only weapon in the war against reality -Jules de Gaultier

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11 Mar 2013 14:55 #45990 by Ohlmann

OH NOES THE CARD IS SUDDENLY OVERBROKEN OHMAGAD §!!§1

mmm, you know that rescuing is not subject to NRA ?
and the fact that the action is blocked does not prevent another vampire from trying ?


Yes, and what is your point ?

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11 Mar 2013 16:03 #46000 by TryDeflectingThisGrapple

I'm not sure LSJ ever dealt with nerfing cards. He did ban some of them (PTO, Edge Explosion, Memories of Mortality), but I can't recall one he changed.


Majesty?

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