Thatre - Hector and Friends

mirddes wrote:

i still feel like im doing everything wrong

even sucumbing to buying eyes of argus and telepathic tracking, not to mention blood to water... still feel like this is jsut a used bandaid... what do to fill the void that this deck leaves me with?

1. As a general advice, stop building 90-card decks. This can not be emphasized enough. A Tremere wall/soft combat like this (or pretty much anything that isn't Enkidu) should be 75 cards, tops, preferably 70 or less. Cutting down might seem difficult at first but a smaller deck will, in addition to being more consistent, mean that you actually see most of your cards during games, which in turn allows you to meaningfully analyse and modify the deck list.

2. Play more wake effects. 8 could be considered light but sufficient, I could go as high as 12 in 75 cards and call it a serious wall.

3. Probably give up on Hector and second round combat, he's too much of a liability.

4. Play at least 2x Magic of The Smith, 1x Ivory Bow and 1x Magnum/Sniper Rifle. Swich Flak Jackets to Kevlars if possible. Dump Palatial Estate and Helicopter, they're not cost effective in this deck.

And lastly...
5. If all else fails, add more Dominate.

mirddes wrote:

would 4x seduction be better than 4x bonding?

Bondings are better for bleeding. A single Seduction will do pretty much nothing without a Govern but a single Bonding will force your prey to either play a card or lose 2 pool. It's a nice, cost effective bleed card that is almost guaranteed to make an impact even if you don't commit to a lunge that turn.

thank you all for your kind words of advise.


hopefully i can get a game on lackey to try out my concepts

a cheap stack of 10 eyes of argus would be amazing if someone wants to make me an offer; way cheaper than ebay would be awesome. (half?)

mirddes wrote:

a cheap stack of 10 eyes of argus would be amazing if someone wants to make me an offer; way cheaper than ebay would be awesome. (half?)

Yeah, wouldn't that be nice?

Also, while Eyes of Argus is excellent card it is far from irreplacable. You don't need 10 of them, you can make due with whatever you have, even none. Block decks were played very efficiently before that card. How often had I wished I had in my hand a good old 5-cent Enhanced Senses insread of a 10$ (?) Eyes of Argus...personally, I own 4 and for the most part, it is sufficient.

If your mind is set to playing Tremeres/!Tremeres, I'd actually fixate more on obtaining Magic of the Smiths, if we're discussing expensive cards you don't have. Those cards actually don't have a noteworthy replacement and those are cards you put in ANY deck that has any kind of equipment, if they have access to tha.

games.groups.yahoo.com/group/VTES-Newsletters/message/424

this makes me question my deck even more

so i built some other decks and hopefully i can get a game in the almost non-existent Christchurch, New Zealand META

If you are looking for inspirations, here is one of my old toolboxy Tremere decks that works decently well which might give you some ideas.

Crypt:
1x Mustafa Rahman
1x Ehrich Weiss
1x Aisling Sturbridge
1x Hannigan
1x Selena
2x Carna, The Princess Witch
1x Ladislas Toth, the Torch
1x Kij Dansky
3x Oliver Thrace

Library: 90

Master: 16
1x Academic Hunting Ground
1x Arcane Library
5x Blood Doll
2x Direct Intervention
1x KRCG News Radio
1x Pentex Subversion
1x Powerbase: Montreal
1x The Erciyes Fragments
1x University Hunting Ground
1x Wasserschloss Anif, Austria
1x WMRH Talk Radio

Action: 15
10x Govern the Unaligned
3x Magic of the Smith
2x Rutor's Hand

Action Modifier: 4
4x Conditioning

Combat: 28
12x Apportation
2x Blood Fury
4x Rego Motus
10x Theft of Vitae

Equipment: 5
1x Bowl of Convergence
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Ivory Bow
2x Sawed-Off Shotgun

Reaction: 22
4x Deflection
3x Eagle's Sight
3x Enhanced Senses
5x Eyes of Argus
1x My Enemy's Enemy
2x On the Qui Vive
2x Telepathic Misdirection
2x Wake with Evening's Freshness