Thatre - Hector and Friends

Thoughts Betrayed is, well, playable (much more with Tremeres - Ankara), but as far as THA combat goes, I'd prefer having Telepathic Tracking - it is cheaper, you've obviously had some fun and games in the first round (even if it means only one opponent's S:CE less) and it provides you with a second round of combat, which every THA-combat deck likes.

But yeah, THA is for attrition, not brute force (unless we're talking Uta here - she can really make a mess of other vampires). Heck, lately, the only THA combat cards I pack are several Rego Motuses and loads of Mirror Walks. Just way more efficient.

Kiddo wrote:

(unless we're talking Uta here - she can really make a mess of other vampires).

I had also pretty good success with Ash Harrison and his innate aggravated, as well as with tremere along with Biothaumaturgical experiments.

In my humble opinion, Biothaumaturgical Experiment to be a real killer, both because it can be done by another vampire than the target, meaning you can use it faster, and because it give both strength and maneuver on the same package.

Just to add a bit to my previous post - my main problem with thoughts Betrayed is that on inf dom the card majorly sucks, and as far as disciplines go, in Tremeres/!Tremeres Dominate is the rarest sup discipline.

And yes, bio Exp is the way to go in any THA combat deck (even in slave Gargoyles).

Kraus wrote:

Thoughts Betrayed works great against combat ends (the BAAAANE of Thaumaturgy combat) and strike based hit-back like Breath of the Dragon. It also trumps Aid from Bats which gives you the edge over animalism presses.

Also, it should be easy for thaumaturgy to compensate for the blood cost of Thoughts Betrayed.

Obviously it's not an auto include, and I haven't tried it yet properly, but it's worth looking into. Start with Thoughts Betrayed and Trap away - see how it goes if your meta is not combat heavy and survives basically on Combat Ends and Dodges.

my meta (not that we play) has 2 decks with combat ends, one with 5 majesties and one with a few form of mist.

i only have 2 telepathis tracking and it seems like a great card for dealing with combat ends, also nice is inf giving 2nd round manouver


more telepathic tracking would be amazing


i have many copies of uta

mirddes wrote:

more telepathic tracking would be amazing

Perhaps, but not necessarily. Usually, THA combat comes from blocking (you being the reacting minion). So, not only you stopped whatever action your prey was attempting, you also wasted one of his S:CEs without using your combat resources - even without trumping his Majesty, you aren't at a loss. Those Trackings you can use when you really want your opponent's vamps in torpor/burned.

Perhaps two more wouldn't go amiss, but you can always make a combat/block deck around Oliver Thrace and not worry about Combat ends at all!

including my only copy of oliver thrace seems like a great idea