I need just the right deck....

Kushiel wrote:

In a more actually helpful vein, I should look into the 1/2 Nosferatu princes if I were you. Good crypt selection (princes at 8/7/7/5 and mid- and small-caps to support toolboxing), stealth, intercept through Second Tradition. Vote defense and potentially offense through titles as well as access to Nos Justicar. Combat ends in No Trace, if you really need it, though having a bunch of [POT] can also be a good combat deterrent, and is usually better combined with the capacity to block than S:CE is, at least during the endgame.

This +1.
Nos 1/2 royalty is one of the best crypt selections ever printed.
Lots of things you can do with them, almost all of them are very effective in one way or another.

I actually like the 4/5 group.
More vamps to use Zillah's Valley on and they have better specials.
Besides, 3 kickass Justicars plus a very good Prince (the Mad Magazine kid).
Old Friends is your friend.

EDIT: forgot to mention Mental Maze is sweet with this crew.
I didn't count Gabrielle because she has no and my non:nosf: slots are for Unmada and Dmitra.

Even the Nos 2-3 can be a good versatile option. My own bloats via Archon, Anathema & mixed Animalism/Potence Combat and ousts via a combination of KRCs, light bleed, Parity Shift, Army of Rats, etc.

But you could easily build a "Bats Rats Cats and Birds" (Nos Princes with Permacept, 2nd Trad, Cat's Guidance, Ani Combat, Army of Rats, Smiling Jack, Rack, etc, etc, etc, bloat via Con Boons)

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

But you could easily build a "Bats Rats Cats and Birds" (Nos Princes with Permacept, 2nd Trad, Cat's Guidance, Ani Combat, Army of Rats, Smiling Jack, Rack, etc, etc, etc, bloat via Con Boons)

Yeah. Casino Reeds is really cool for that.

Here's one thing I came up with. How do you think it would do? Any obvious changes? If I was going to LA, I think I might want some Obedience

4x Paul Cordwood 8 AUS DOM THA obf bishop, stealth/intercept
2x Preston Varrick 7 DOM OBF THA aus +1 bleed vs allies
Terrell Harding 7 AUS THA dom obf steal blood action
Selena 6 AUS DOM THA
Frondator 5 AUS dom tha bishop, her rescue actions cost 1 less
Mosfair 4 dom tha
Janine 4 aus dom tha
Ember Wright 3 aus dom

Master: 17(3 trifles, 12 w/o requirements)
3x Spirit Summoning Chamber
1x Lilith's Blessing
Pentex Subversion
Dreams of the Sphinx
Direct Intervention
Thaumaturgy
Infernal Pact
2x Wash
Two Wrongs
2x Storage Annex
Barrens
Metro Underground
Rumor Mill

Actions: 12
6x Govern the Unaligned
1x Slaughtering the Herd
1x Far Mastery
1x Revelations
1x Recure the Homeland
1x Seeds of Corruption
1x Rutor's Hand

Action Modifiers: 23
8x Mirror Walk
2x Veil the Legions
4x Cloak the Gathering
2x Into Thin Air
1x Seduction
6x Conditioning


Allies: 2
Mylan Horseed
Hexaped (should probably be another Govern, more interesting this way)

Reactions: 21
4x On the Qui Vive
2x Eyes of Argus
2x Wake with the EVening's Freshnes
5x Deflection
4x Telepathic Misdirection
2x My Enemy's Enemy
2x Eagle's Sight

Combat: 15
7x Theft of Vitae
5x Movement of the Mind
1x Fake-Out
2x Rigo Motus

The only problem i see with it is your master selection, everything else seem to be in order.

Why is Lilith's blessing here? It is questionable that you will get to use it, with all the masters, and no direct way to empty your vampires quickly, or transfer their blood to pool. Jake Washington could be better.

Why infernal pact? For what discipline are you planing that?

And (it is just my personal preference), i do not like two wrongs in deck that can bounce. also, i d not like storage annexes much, but that's just me.

Why Movement of the mind. I rarely see that one played?
I also notice that only 2 Vampires in your crypt have OBF, but you have 4 Cloak the gatherings.

Other than those (most of which are my personal preference issues ), it looks solid all round, with casual intercept, lots of bounce, bleed at stealth, and some combat to push things trough.

Though, lately, i started constantly putting Uncoiling in every deck when i go on a tournament. If nothing, it kills that pesky Anthelies/unmasking/Veil /whatever red card that i hate!