less is more... ?

Ohlmann wrote:

jtroyve wrote:

with that, tremere anti cards can only be used by sabbat tremere, and the old tremere cards can only be used by cam tremere.

What it have to do with making playable card with minimal errata ?

true. i just got carried away with all the errata suggestions. hahha.

jtroyve wrote:

just throwing out an old suggestion...

how about removing the antitribu aspect of the game?

for example. there is only 1 tremere clan, with camarilla, sabbat, laibon, or indie factions.

with that, tremere anti cards can only be used by sabbat tremere, and the old tremere cards can only be used by cam tremere.

the Anti-tribu clans are something that i've always found perplexingly infuriating about the Masquerade setting in general. this is also why i so thoroughly enjoy the NWoD vampire setting so much.

Ashur wrote:

And yes, the 10th anniv-tins would have been a great opportunity for adding those Adv-vamps.

BUT it´s not too late, in my opinion. It´s a great opportunity for the Design Team to get creative! Maybe even base it on a player contribution contest-thingy?!

fully agreed. i once saw a long list of all the useless GR1-vampires, with their versions that seemed interesting enough (not just the obvious +1 bleed fixes), but i can't find the list now. -anybody can point me to it? reverendrev, was that your list? - thnx!

porphyrion wrote:

Ashur wrote:

And yes, the 10th anniv-tins would have been a great opportunity for adding those Adv-vamps.

BUT it´s not too late, in my opinion. It´s a great opportunity for the Design Team to get creative! Maybe even base it on a player contribution contest-thingy?!

fully agreed. i once saw a long list of all the useless GR1-vampires, with their versions that seemed interesting enough (not just the obvious +1 bleed fixes), but i can't find the list now. -anybody can point me to it? reverendrev, was that your list? - thnx!

That was likely ICL's (Ichabod's) list of how he'd improve G1 with ADV. Likely somewhere up on the google groups board. If you ask nicely he might still have it and create another topic for it. That way we can have two great topic ideas proceed in parallel.

porphyrion wrote:

i once saw a long list of all the useless GR1-vampires, with their versions that seemed interesting enough (not just the obvious +1 bleed fixes), but i can't find the list now. -anybody can point me to it? reverendrev, was that your list? - thnx!

If it pre-dated the VEKN forum, it was probably collected here:
www.thelasombra.com/newcards.htm

Anything that was posted first to the V:EKN forum was not collected.

Jeff Kuta 'fixed' the Group 1 vampires with the Create-A-Clan rules.
www.thelasombra.com/jeffkuta_group1.txt