Master Disciplines
07 May 2013 01:00 #48279
by Juggernaut1981




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My Salubri Anti
deck has a number of Blooding by the Code because it plays toward the deck's strengths of Bruise-Bleed.
1) You get
which you can't get without taking an action or playing a temporary master card.
2) You get +1 strength, which you can't get any other way for them since they don't get
in any sort of reliable form. It ties in nicely to either Sword of the Righteous OR Vengeance of Samiel. Plus, with cards like Powerbase: Tshwane it is a free card.
So yes, I modeled them on a card I already use to a positive net result in a deck that while seeming toolboxy is actually bruise-bleed with some backup rush and some mild 'thwarting' defence.
Blooding by the Code
Type: Master
Requires: Salubri antitribu
Cost: 1 pool
Master.
Put this card on a Salubri antitribu you control. This Salubri antitribu gains one level of Valeren [val] and gets +1 strength. Capacity increases by 1: the Salubri antitribu is one generation older. A vampire can have only one Blooding by the Code.

1) You get

2) You get +1 strength, which you can't get any other way for them since they don't get

So yes, I modeled them on a card I already use to a positive net result in a deck that while seeming toolboxy is actually bruise-bleed with some backup rush and some mild 'thwarting' defence.
Blooding by the Code
Type: Master
Requires: Salubri antitribu
Cost: 1 pool
Master.
Put this card on a Salubri antitribu you control. This Salubri antitribu gains one level of Valeren [val] and gets +1 strength. Capacity increases by 1: the Salubri antitribu is one generation older. A vampire can have only one Blooding by the Code.





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07 May 2013 12:08 #48293
by ReverendRevolver
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I understood the model, since i even suggested a sang model of it for blood brothers, since they would be more usable for combat with a card granting another level of sang and +1 strength.
I just didnt get the justification for the bonuses. DoC are solid as is, the presence bonus of the card wastoo much, and gargoyles couldxuse the +1 strength, y did samedi get it?
I just didnt get the justification for the bonuses. DoC are solid as is, the presence bonus of the card wastoo much, and gargoyles couldxuse the +1 strength, y did samedi get it?
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07 May 2013 12:11 #48294
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Samedi are supposed to be the 2nd-tier hired killers (with Assamites first). Seemed worth it.





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07 May 2013 13:12 #48297
by porphyrion
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Vocal Mastery. imho, the +1 stealth is a bit too powerful with mind numb. they already have the paris opera house for that.
Baron's Tutelage. should perhaps be unique and only playable on 5, 6, 7 or 8-cap vampire (so Baron cannot do this to himself; on Abebe this also would be extremely crazy imo). perhaps +1 damage with ranged strikes would provide greater synergy than +1 strength.
Self-made
Master. Trifle.
Requires
Put this on a non-slave Gargoyle
you control. This Gargoyle
gains 1 level of Visceratika
and +1 intercept against
actions targeting a location or master card you control. A vampire may only have one Self-made. +1 capacity; this vampire is one generation older (capacity logo)
_this could save the G6 3-cap-gargoyles. i would change it to 'targeting a location or master card you control' though & but make it trifle at the same time.
Inner Calm
seems balanced, but should be unique imo.
Baron's Tutelage. should perhaps be unique and only playable on 5, 6, 7 or 8-cap vampire (so Baron cannot do this to himself; on Abebe this also would be extremely crazy imo). perhaps +1 damage with ranged strikes would provide greater synergy than +1 strength.
Self-made
Master. Trifle.
Requires

Put this on a non-slave Gargoyle




_this could save the G6 3-cap-gargoyles. i would change it to 'targeting a location or master card you control' though & but make it trifle at the same time.
Inner Calm
seems balanced, but should be unique imo.
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07 May 2013 13:47 #48299
by ReverendRevolver
How could self made help g6 grotesques @all?
They are slaves. The only non slave that groups 5-6 is malaxhai. He has big vis already. Ensxonced and salt of toth already exiatcto help grotesques, and they are still only playable in casual. I had a voting grotesques that did rediculously goof 7% of the time, butcwas weak against combat, walls, vote decks that were not crosstable and were fast, and obviously, stealthbleed. Honeztly, i ran insurance scam so i could gain pool when the grotesque got torped and i didnt need whatwver was under a storagecannex. You can get easily 6-9 minions oit with them, between loquipment and master location, and zane, malachai, and rusticus were the only non grotesque cards, but TRUST ME even having self made be able to target them wouod just add more master cards to a deck that has to run parthenon, barrens, therbold, powerbases, elder library, and several storage annex. There arent enough loquipments printed to truly take advantave of grotesques.
Non slave garfoyles need a fewxmore vamps, maybe one g3, one g5, and they could use a permanent intercept with strength, and a seperate card that is like a double charisma for thier retainers and cats.
THEN theyxwil be playable.
Samedi dont neex us strength, but anyone whos built more than just dead hooker stealth bleex knows they lack defense with reacting.
Maybe gain a level of thn, and this samedi can burn a blood to untap a zombie you control and attempt to block a d action targeting you or a resource you control?
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Vocal Mastery. imho, the +1 stealth is a bit too powerful with mind numb. they already have the paris opera house for that.
Baron's Tutelage. should perhaps be unique and only playable on 5, 6, 7 or 8-cap vampire (so Baron cannot do this to himself; on Abebe this also would be extremely crazy imo). perhaps +1 damage with ranged strikes would provide greater synergy than +1 strength.
Self-made
Master. Trifle.
Requires
Put this on a non-slave Gargoyleyou control. This Gargoyle
gains 1 level of Visceratika
and +1 intercept against
actions targeting a location or master card you control. A vampire may only have one Self-made. +1 capacity; this vampire is one generation older (capacity logo)
_this could save the G6 3-cap-gargoyles. i would change it to 'targeting a location or master card you control' though & but make it trifle at the same time.
Inner Calm
seems balanced, but should be unique imo.
How could self made help g6 grotesques @all?
They are slaves. The only non slave that groups 5-6 is malaxhai. He has big vis already. Ensxonced and salt of toth already exiatcto help grotesques, and they are still only playable in casual. I had a voting grotesques that did rediculously goof 7% of the time, butcwas weak against combat, walls, vote decks that were not crosstable and were fast, and obviously, stealthbleed. Honeztly, i ran insurance scam so i could gain pool when the grotesque got torped and i didnt need whatwver was under a storagecannex. You can get easily 6-9 minions oit with them, between loquipment and master location, and zane, malachai, and rusticus were the only non grotesque cards, but TRUST ME even having self made be able to target them wouod just add more master cards to a deck that has to run parthenon, barrens, therbold, powerbases, elder library, and several storage annex. There arent enough loquipments printed to truly take advantave of grotesques.
Non slave garfoyles need a fewxmore vamps, maybe one g3, one g5, and they could use a permanent intercept with strength, and a seperate card that is like a double charisma for thier retainers and cats.
THEN theyxwil be playable.
Samedi dont neex us strength, but anyone whos built more than just dead hooker stealth bleex knows they lack defense with reacting.
Maybe gain a level of thn, and this samedi can burn a blood to untap a zombie you control and attempt to block a d action targeting you or a resource you control?
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07 May 2013 13:51 - 07 May 2013 13:52 #48300
by jamesatzephyr
I'd be somewhat cautious about making scarce disciplines (i.e. Obeah and Temporis) available more easily than they are currently, given that they appear to have been built around one of:
a) only one vampire having them
b) paying a hefty price for an extra vampire (the Scarce penalty)
c) having to jump through some annoying hoops (e.g. Great Beast, Vitae Slave, Agent of Power, Sanguine Instruction)
The "easiest" options are probably Spontaneous Power (unique, 2 pool, gain 1 level) and Infernal Pact (unique, clan requirement, 1 pool, essentially gain 2 levels).
I'd be a little concerned about the scope for rustling up multiple vampires who can play Spirit Marionette in e.g. a deck that Embrace-s quite a few weenies, and can refill with Renewed Vigor. Certainly, I could be convinced otherwise by a thorough playtest, but it feels uncomfortable.
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Inner Calm
Master
Requires
Put this on a Salubriyou control. This Salubri
gains 1 level of Obeah
and cannot be the target of Frenzies. A vampire may have only one Inner-Calm. +1 capacity; this vampire is one generation older (capacity logo)
I'd be somewhat cautious about making scarce disciplines (i.e. Obeah and Temporis) available more easily than they are currently, given that they appear to have been built around one of:
a) only one vampire having them
b) paying a hefty price for an extra vampire (the Scarce penalty)
c) having to jump through some annoying hoops (e.g. Great Beast, Vitae Slave, Agent of Power, Sanguine Instruction)
The "easiest" options are probably Spontaneous Power (unique, 2 pool, gain 1 level) and Infernal Pact (unique, clan requirement, 1 pool, essentially gain 2 levels).
I'd be a little concerned about the scope for rustling up multiple vampires who can play Spirit Marionette in e.g. a deck that Embrace-s quite a few weenies, and can refill with Renewed Vigor. Certainly, I could be convinced otherwise by a thorough playtest, but it feels uncomfortable.
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