Champions of Cagn Unbound!

ICL wrote:

6. There are many ways to design the same card. And, whether doing top-down or bottom-up design, many, many times people will come up with the same idea, so there's little point to the concept of "This is my brilliant idea, the rest of you don't steal it."

Especially seconded!

That's why that copyright issue is so ridiculous IMHO. I said this many times before and still am mad about it, because two of my favourite cards couldn't become official VEKN-cards because of it.

Oh and after having an even more detailed read of the 'Oft Heralded' Blessings of Cagn...

The worst thing you can do is use it to fetch another Blessings of Cagn. They are unique. So you can't contest your own cards. So you can't play the Blessing of Cagn as if from your hand, because of the Blessing of Cagn in play AND therefore you cannot do anything with it except contest it with some other Laibon deck and lose pool or a copy of Blessings of Cagn.

ICL wrote:

Maybe Ebony Kingdoms, a god awful set...

Huh?

I've play tested the PCK Laibon and have a deck with Eze Advanced. It uses Brutal Influence. Blessings of Cagn and Spiritual Vessel make getting Oruns out easy and the deck uses a lot of the PCK Laibon cards. It's not a perfect deck, but it's fun and works well. I have 2 Blessing of Cagn in it. The card lets you take all of the Oruns and the other Blessing of Cagn out of your deck so you don't waste any time drawing them and thins out your deck to get the other cards you need to be successful. No reason not to have 2 in your deck since you're twice as likely to draw it and you never draw the other one whe you have one in play. Lots of great cards in the set and several crappy ones, just like every other set. Don't understand why everyone isn't thrilled that this set is available, especially since it isn't sanctioned and is only there to have new cards to enjoy using in casual play and not to be abused in tournaments like so many sanctioned cards from other sets. I've definitely enjoyed using them.

johannes wrote:

ICL wrote:

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3. Not every card is intended for every player, something Magic's lead designer mentions frequently. (snip)

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3. I dont´understand it, can you elaborate?

I think ICL is talking about ideas like:

1) Some people love to play "Green". So any number of kickass "White" or "Red" cards aren't going to be much interest to them.
The VTES Analogy is that almost everyone has a favourite clan, if you love your Brujah then something like Eternals of Sirius isn't going to float your boat

2) Some people love certain tech... Vote, Bleed, Block, Grinder, S&B, Allies, etc. If you love your Grinder-Wall decks, then realistically you aren't going to be too thrilled by an Obfuscate card which says "You may tap X younger vampires with [obf] to add +1 stealth to the current action".

3) Lots of cards, like knives/blades, can have vastly different uses in different combinations. Some people will want to use their cards like scalpels. Others will prefer to use their cards like a bayonet.


I do respect the opinions ICL has. I have found them to be well thought out and I know they come with the experience of being further behind the curtain of Industry than I have. I wasn't originally intending to go into that much of detail/rant about these cards. But with the past conflict and claims of copyright, superiority and so on... I had high expectations. If you're going to have that kind of conflict, I'd be hoping you'd be doing it because you are right. So yes, I was disappointed when they missed the mark on solving the problem, created cards with structural problems (like cards that lock down their own mechanics permanently or range-less grapples) and had a large number of cards that were very uninspiring. I also, not to try snipe at people who did playtest the PCK cards, think that PCK's playtesting systems need drastic improvement because of those structurally defective cards that made it into 'publication'.