Card submission: Dark Horse

Ashur wrote:

Pendargon wrote:

So, back to the drawing board ...

Why so upset? Easy fix: "Only one Dark Horse can be played each turn." (I think that would be enough)

Another thing I thought about was that the card could be stuck on the vamp after played, and be unique. But that is kind of bad, so it could give tha vamp a perk, +1 bleed or something like that.

So how does " only one dark horse can be played each turn" solves the issue of : Dark horse, Zillahs Valley, 3 transfers, ooh LOOK! Lucian the Perfect and my prey is doomed to die before he started infulencing .

(substitute Lucian the Perfect with Cybelle, Hutzilopochtli, Gerald Windham, or Guillaume Giovanni at your preference)

Ashur wrote:

I kind of agree, even though I think crypt acceleration seem to be severely underplayed in many metas.

For accelerators like Zillah's, one problem is the classic issue that hits so many master cards people design. It's absolutely great if it turns up in turn one, turn two, maybe turn three. You go "Aaargh" when you draw it in turn 10 when you really wanted it to be Villein. But if you want to actually semi-rely on it, you need multiple of them in a deck.

Info Highway slightly avoids this by having some use in the end-game, such as improving your ability to Govern down, or to draw a vampire from your crypt and transfer to them a little more quickly. Eternals of Sirius can turn into a poor man's Ascendance in the late game.

Almost all the really great master cards are playable early, mid or late game - Blood Doll, Villein, Dreams are all solid whenever more or less whenever you draw them. The few that people hold on to until the late game (meaning, amongst other things, that they can get away with fewer of them in their deck) tend to be things like Pentex or Week of Nightmares, which are usually lunge cards or game changers.

Basically: if the card is basically wanted for turn one or two, I'd look at the copies you draw on turns six, eight and eleven too. Give it some sort of longevity, so you think "Oh yeah, that's not too bad if I draw it now." That may require slightly toning done its power for its "main" purpose.

Make the card go on the vampire.

Then make the vampire take X amount of damage when he becomes ready, where x is like capacity derived, to prevent uber bloat.

Still strong though.

How about making this a sabbat card? (almost no sabbat vampires on the gasp-list)

Pendargon wrote:

Oliver Thrace
Gillaume Giovanni
Izhim Abd Azrael
Gerald Windham
Gotsdam, Tired warrior

Going second (two transfers)

Cybelle (GASP)
Goratrix
Huitzilopochtli
Karsh (to be merged later, if needed)
Nergal (double gasp)
Ayo Igoli
Thucimia

Going third (3 transfers)
Enkidu
Saulot
Lucian the perfect (triple gasp)

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Basically: if the card is basically wanted for turn one or two, I'd look at the copies you draw on turns six, eight and eleven too. Give it some sort of longevity, so you think "Oh yeah, that's not too bad if I draw it now." That may require slightly toning done its power for its "main" purpose.

Or you let Zillah's Valley be a dead card on turn six and give the deck builder a subtle problem with multiple (and hopefully interesting) possible solutions.