file Submission: Advanced Ur-Shulgi

12 Jul 2014 16:53 #63654 by The Flayed Man
Reflecting on recent comments on how the independent 11-caps were weak compared to the camarilla 11-caps.

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12 Jul 2014 21:23 #63657 by Juggernaut1981
I'd edit the text a bit...

Independent. Ur-Shulgi has 3 votes (titled). Once each combat Ur-Shulgi may gain an additional strike only usable to make a strike using :qui: or :tha:.
:merged: When tapped, Ur-Shulgi may burn 1 blood to block an action targeting a Path of Blood you control.

The merge text seems weak to me... I'm not too sure what role Ur Shulgi actually plays in the Canon. I did read most of the Eye of Hazimel set and all it seemed that Ur Shulgi did was completely destroy his progeny as some kind of test to see if they were Islamic (i.e. they fail if they are Islamic and don't follow pre-Islamic.

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13 Jul 2014 03:26 #63658 by brandonsantacruz
The merged text is too narrow. What is an 11 cap doing trying to block that? Maybe if while he is merged actions targeting path of blood automatically fail that would be something.

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13 Jul 2014 09:01 #63661 by jamesatzephyr

Reflecting on recent comments on how the independent 11-caps were weak compared to the camarilla 11-caps.

Ur-Shulgi, The Herald
11 capacity, Assamite, Advanced
aus CEL DOM OBF QUI THA
Independent. Ur-Shulgi has three votes [titled]. Once each combat Ur-Shulgi may make an additional strike with a combat card requiring either Quietus or Thaumaturgy this is not an exemption to additional strike limits. Merge: If tapped Ur-Shulgi may burn a blood to attempt to block an action to remove a Path of Blood you control.


First point, you've created an advanced card without a base. Ur-Shulgi's name is Ur-Shulgi, The Shepherd. His advancement's name should be Ur-Shulgi, The Shepherd. For contestation purposes, his name should be Ur-Shulgi, The Shepherd - contestation is based on unique cards with the same name.

The extra vote isn't worth much. The loss of the +bleed is really quite unpleasant, and isn't really compensated for, putting him in a very small club of 11 caps: Enkidu has a significant combat special (rush and +2 strength), and Eze has a free untap. Both have the same number of disciplines. A conditional additional strike is really very weak compared to those, and given that Assamites also mess around with guns, it seems unhelpfully narrow.

The merge text is really very weak. You're relatively unlikely to give an 11 cap without an awesome block special a lot of permanent intercept, and he can only attempt to block, not play reaction cards (see also: No Secrets from the Magaji).

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13 Jul 2014 09:29 - 14 Jul 2014 09:56 #63662 by porphyrion
:AUS: at SUP would help him a lot IMO. and perhaps a special that builds upon the base-version-special?

:adv: Ur-Shulgi, The Shepherd.
:AUS: :CEL: :DOM: :OBF: :QUI: :THA:
:adv: Independent. When any Assamite commits diablerie, Ur -Shulgi can tap and burn 2 blood :blood: to cancel the Blood Hunt Referendum. +1 Bleed.
:merged: Independent. Ur-Shulgi strikes with first strike.

would go nice with Yusuf, Parnassus, even Tariq and especially Draught of the soul. being able to burn a few vamps without consequences could be huge IMO.
Last edit: 14 Jul 2014 09:56 by porphyrion.

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13 Jul 2014 09:39 #63663 by The Flayed Man
Slight tweak.

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