Card idea: Preacher

Haze wrote:

This Preacher card idea just seems kind of annoying for the target, while being an inefficient use of actions for whoever's playing it. Instead of giving methuselahs an interesting choice, it brute-forces the issue in a dull way. And it's weak. Yech.

The thing is, it should be strong enough to be playable as a way of making your own vampires anarch (I think it is). The ability to make other people anarch is secondary, and can be used to help prevent the wrong person getting ousted by your anarch revolts, or to mess up a Black Hand or Aye/Orun deck that insists on leaving its key vampires not-anarch. The latter is why it needs to have a burn clause.

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

Actually the way you had it written before suggested that I would need to action the minion that played Preacher, not the counter. Plus it seems silly to not make it so that the minion with the counter is the one to remove the counter; unless you meant to make it "any minion may remove the counter as a action".

A action against the methuselah who played the Preacher is how I imagined it. It also works as an undirected action though, and is less card text and means not having to care about who's counter it is, so is probably better overall.

Mael wrote:

Haze wrote:

This Preacher card idea just seems kind of annoying for the target, while being an inefficient use of actions for whoever's playing it. Instead of giving methuselahs an interesting choice, it brute-forces the issue in a dull way. And it's weak. Yech.

The thing is, it should be strong enough to be playable as a way of making your own vampires anarch (I think it is).

There are better and faster ways of going anarch. it's weaker than "Go Anarch", and nobody uses that one.

The ability to make other people anarch is secondary, and can be used to help prevent the wrong person getting ousted by your anarch revolts,

cornercase, since they can go anarch themselves. maybe you save them 1 pool, sometimes.

or to mess up a Black Hand or Aye/Orun deck that insists on leaving its key vampires not-anarch. The latter is why it needs to have a burn clause.

then it's just annoying at most, and they'll take the action to go un-anarch if needed. though actually, Black Hand vampires don't care if they're anarch, and it's hard to target a younger vampire with Orun...

why not just bleed for 1 instead of using this card

Haze wrote:

There are better and faster ways of going anarch. it's weaker than "Go Anarch", and nobody uses that one.

I disagree, at

 it's about on a par, different (as Blooding and Mustajib are different from each other), and lacking the untap. At superior it's more akin to a minion based version of Seattle Committee or Twilight Camp. Also, I have seen "Go Anarch" played, as has the TWDA.


The ability to make other people anarch is secondary, and can be used to help prevent the wrong person getting ousted by your anarch revolts,

cornercase, since they can go anarch themselves. maybe you save them 1 pool, sometimes.


It's not cornercase as they are would both be elements of the same deck so are under your control when deckbuilding. People play with Boons for pretty much the same purpose.


or to mess up a Black Hand or Aye/Orun deck that insists on leaving its key vampires not-anarch. The latter is why it needs to have a burn clause.

then it's just annoying at most, and they'll take the action to go un-anarch if needed. though actually, Black Hand vampires don't care if they're anarch, and it's hard to target a younger vampire with Orun...


No, but vampires who want to become black hand do, as do BH vampires who want to be Abbot. Also, it's quite easy to target a younger vampire with 1 or 2 Orun, and if the card prevented him ever becoming Laibon again that's all he'd ever get. And those are just the first two sect based strategies I thought of, probably not the only ones.



I'm not saying that you would include the card for it's ability to mess with such decks, but it's an added bonus on a card that you include in a deck to make your own guys anarch.

why not just bleed for 1 instead of using this card

Why not just play Malk stealth bleed? Some people like a little variety. Apart from that, I really can't see how a card to make your guys anarch is comparable to bleeding for 1 as an action.



	

		 Ankha wrote: 
		
Maybe the card was nerfed to much to become very useful.

First version was the following, but I found it too powerful.



Name: Preacher

Cardtype: Action

+1 stealth action. Requires an anarch.

Put this card on this anarch and untap him or her at the end of the turn. During your untap phase, you may burn 1 blood to choose a ready younger non-anarch non-titled vampire. He or she becomes anarch (and Independent).


Agree that that's too powerful.

If you changed it to ...choose a ready younger non-anarch non-titled vampire you control. and added uniqueness to it, it would probably be balanced compared to Seattle Committee. When you include being able to change other players vampires sects then balance gets complicated.

The name is wrong: religious titles are granted by the Sabbat, not the Anarch.