2012 Storyline Progress Update
27 Jan 2012 12:06 #21824
by Azazel
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It just depends where the results will have an impact. If they impact the whole game, then I just think this a wrong way to do things.
If it just impacts say next years NAC storyline then it's a different thing.
Either way being more exact how the storylines might make a difference in the game would be a good thing.
If it just impacts say next years NAC storyline then it's a different thing.
Either way being more exact how the storylines might make a difference in the game would be a good thing.
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27 Jan 2012 14:30 #21834
by Lönkka
Replied by Lönkka on topic Re: 2012 Storyline Progress Update
I'm rather aversed to the idea of having one tournament have an effect on the whole game.
Aren't the NAC torunaments also not THAT big in attendance?
Like in the 40-60 people range.
Aren't the NAC torunaments also not THAT big in attendance?
Like in the 40-60 people range.
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27 Jan 2012 17:29 - 27 Jan 2012 17:31 #21845
by echiang
The secondary plot point will be determined by the Limited storyline.
The NAC event will only affect a relatively minor plot point.
The only potential impact on the game would be through storyline reward cards. The intention is to have storyline reward cards consistent with prior storyline reward cards. I particular like how the winning clan is integrated into Baltimore Purge and Fiendish Tongue (those cards are useful by themselves, but have an extra bonus for the winning clan) or Advanced vampires (within reason). Such storyline cards will go through the entire playtest process (as a normal card) and would be created taking into account the needs of the card game, the game balance of VTES, the canon background material, and the results of the storyline.
This is largely modeled after the Black Miracles and Lies storyline (NAC 2008), Friday the 13th storyline (EC 2009), and the various storylines that L5R has run over the past 17 years.
I don't recall hearing many concerns about the NAC 2008 or EC 2009 storylines (the one that I saw was Frederick Scott concerned about the availability of the Kaymakli Fragment promo).
Having the rare opportunity to have a smaller scale storyline also gives weaker clans a fair shot at winning. It's not as if the Harbingers, Nagaraja, or Salubri Antitribu are likely to win the global event (though I'd love to see them try and possibly do it), but it's more feasible that a good player might be able to win a single tournament with them (though of course the storyline results are not going to be earthshattering as a result either). I see it as a valuable opportunity to represent your clan, especially for those interested in the storyline and the canon backstory.
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Replied by echiang on topic Re: 2012 Storyline Progress Update
The major plot point will be determined by the Constructed storyline.It just depends where the results will have an impact. If they impact the whole game, then I just think this a wrong way to do things.
If it just impacts say next years NAC storyline then it's a different thing.
Either way being more exact how the storylines might make a difference in the game would be a good thing.
The secondary plot point will be determined by the Limited storyline.
The NAC event will only affect a relatively minor plot point.
The only potential impact on the game would be through storyline reward cards. The intention is to have storyline reward cards consistent with prior storyline reward cards. I particular like how the winning clan is integrated into Baltimore Purge and Fiendish Tongue (those cards are useful by themselves, but have an extra bonus for the winning clan) or Advanced vampires (within reason). Such storyline cards will go through the entire playtest process (as a normal card) and would be created taking into account the needs of the card game, the game balance of VTES, the canon background material, and the results of the storyline.
Well, that depends on what you see as "an effect on the whole game." There certainly will not be any super crazy stuff (no chance of a Nagaraja Justicar or an Abomination Regent). Any potential cards would go through the whole vetting process of playtest.I'm rather aversed to the idea of having one tournament have an effect on the whole game.
Aren't the NAC torunaments also not THAT big in attendance?
Like in the 40-60 people range.
This is largely modeled after the Black Miracles and Lies storyline (NAC 2008), Friday the 13th storyline (EC 2009), and the various storylines that L5R has run over the past 17 years.
I don't recall hearing many concerns about the NAC 2008 or EC 2009 storylines (the one that I saw was Frederick Scott concerned about the availability of the Kaymakli Fragment promo).
Having the rare opportunity to have a smaller scale storyline also gives weaker clans a fair shot at winning. It's not as if the Harbingers, Nagaraja, or Salubri Antitribu are likely to win the global event (though I'd love to see them try and possibly do it), but it's more feasible that a good player might be able to win a single tournament with them (though of course the storyline results are not going to be earthshattering as a result either). I see it as a valuable opportunity to represent your clan, especially for those interested in the storyline and the canon backstory.
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27 Jan 2012 18:24 - 27 Jan 2012 18:25 #21850
by KevinM
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Replied by KevinM on topic Re: 2012 Storyline Progress Update
It just depends where the results will have an impact. If they impact the whole game, then I just think this a wrong way to do things.
Eric did say that each Continental Championship organizer has the ability and the right to participate in the One-Shot storyline. So, it appears that the storyline system is fair, and that the organizer of each CC should make room for the One-Shot event.I'm rather aversed to the idea of having one tournament have an effect on the whole game.
When has "size of a Continental Championship" ever mattered for anything, ever? Why even bring it up now?Aren't the NAC torunaments also not THAT big in attendance? Like in the 40-60 people range.
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27 Jan 2012 18:51 #21854
by echiang
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Replied by echiang on topic Re: 2012 Storyline Progress Update
Plus, the entire point of the Qualifier/Championship system, is to try and promote and emphasize the Continental Championships (including finding incentives to promote such premier events and encourage people to attend them). I think the one-shot storylines at Continental Championships help in that endeavor.Eric did say that each Continental Championship organizer has the ability and the right to participate in the One-Shot storyline. So, it appears that the storyline system is fair, and that the organizer of each CC should make room for the One-Shot event.
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27 Jan 2012 18:57 #21855
by Haze
Replied by Haze on topic Re: 2012 Storyline Progress Update
laugho at storylines affecting "the whole game"
because the reward cards haven't really been that earth-shattering in the past
if it were announced for the EC instead of the NAC nobody would be complaining
because the reward cards haven't really been that earth-shattering in the past
if it were announced for the EC instead of the NAC nobody would be complaining
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