file PKC seeks to attack the V:EKN

27 Sep 2012 06:40 #37824 by johannes
I let the community build their own opinion about the current effort of PKC to influence the creation of the official V:EKN set.

Sent by E-Mail from Jeff Kuta:


Dear Johannes Walch (V:EKN Chairman),
Antonio Cobo Cuenca (V:EKN Vice Chairman),
David Tatu (V:EKN Scribe),
Pascal Bertrand (V:EKN Rules Director),
Ginés Quiñonero (V:EKN Web Coordinator),
Robyn Tatu (V:EKN Ratings Coordinator), and
Robert Goudie (V:EKN Chairman Emeritus):

Without Prejudice

It has come to our attention, based on posts by Johannes Walch on the
public forums at the web site found at, that the
organization called Vampire: Elder Kindred Network (V:EKN), of which
you are members of the governing body known as the Inner Circle, is
unlawfully using our copyrighted material entitled Guardians of the
Faith (the «Work»).

By your admission, the V:EKN appears to be undertaking a project,
called Danse Macabre, which contains the aforementioned copyrighted
creative work collectively belonging to Carl Pilhatsch, Eric Chiang
and Jeff Kuta. Posts from Johannes Walch's user account implying this
improper usage can be found at:

We categorically disagree with your assertions and insinuations to the
contrary regarding our sole, legitimate and lawful ownership of the

Our Work has been licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution
Non-Commercial NoDerivs 3.0 Unported (CC BY-NC-ND 3.0) license
(, and we reserve
all rights granted thereby.

However your intended use of the above Work, in full or partial form,
inferred from the bulleted forum comments listed above, willfully
neglects or ignores our reserved rights and may violate the
prohibition upon the «Commercial Use.»

Given the above, your use of the copyrighted Work falls outside of the
narrow permissions granted by this Creative Commons license. We
believe you have willfully infringed on our rights under 17 U.S.C.
Section 101 et seq. and could be liable for statutory damages as set
forth in Section 504(c)(2) therein. Furthermore, if any of our
intellectual property rights granted under European Union Law
(including but not limited to the EU Copyright Directive) or the laws
of sovereign European nations have been breached, we reserve the right
to pursue statutory damages as appropriate (including but not limited
to the EU Enforcement Directive).

We hereby demand that you immediately cease and desist use of the Work.

Based upon the foregoing, we hereby demand that you confirm to us in
writing within ten (10) days of receipt of this letter that: (i) you
have removed the aforementioned infringing items derived from our
Work; and (ii) you will refrain from infringing upon our copyright(s)
using any material on the Internet, Application or any other service
you control in the future.


Carl Pilhatsch, Eric Chiang and Jeff Kuta

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27 Sep 2012 06:45 #37825 by jtroyve
ok. apparently, they're not willing. sad day.

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27 Sep 2012 06:55 #37826 by jhattara
Dear Carl, Eric and Jeff

Are you aware that a major portion of the work you claim copyright on is already copyrighted, trademarked and patented by the companies that created World of Darkness and Vampire: The Eternal Struggle.

:splat: Jussi Hattara :splat:
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27 Sep 2012 07:04 #37828 by Erol
They should be banned from sanctioned tournaments. Excommunicated from the vekn, as they dont want to participate in our community. This move shows how low somebody can sink for a bruised ego. Sad, really sad.

:laso: :camarilla: :POT: :DOM: :DEM: :PRE: :cap8: - Prince of Karlsruhe, Germany
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27 Sep 2012 07:19 #37829 by PrinceOfSeekonk
I certainly hope they are aware that they are playing hardball within a copyright that does not even remotely belong to them.

Creative Commons doesn't supplant copyright at all. It requires it, and is in many ways completely dependent on it being crystal clear. Creative works protected under what they are blankly invoking need to be far more specific than they are being here, so I would be elaborating very carefully in the coming days as to what exactly they believe is protected, especially when doing so around an existing commercial intellectual property.

Dangerous waters, gentlemen.


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27 Sep 2012 07:37 #37833 by Killjoy71
Somebody please tell me this is a late April Fool's day joke.

I do not understand the purpose of this .... other than taking a stand to harass (but the minion is not tapped nor has any blood been lost ;) )the VEKN ruling body and by extension the VEKn community. Does someone else see this differently?

VTES is not for the faint of heart...especially when you don't have a enough blood.

Prince Of Geneva
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