Strikes at long range
01 Dec 2011 10:28 - 01 Dec 2011 10:30 #16630
by Malachy
NC of Hungary
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Strikes at long range was created by Malachy
Heys!
Can one use any kind of non-ranged strikes at long range assuming there's no restriction like "only usable at close range" to cycle or just to cause an effect affect (
)? If so, damage is obviously not dealt but does any kind of effect take place?
Par Exmaple:
1, Strike: Put this cord on the opposing minion... etc
2, Strike: hand strike at +2 damage, and the opposing minion cannot strike for the remainder of the round... etc (Pounce)
3, Strike with Bundi to prevent damage from an upcoming Dagger?
Can one use any kind of non-ranged strikes at long range assuming there's no restriction like "only usable at close range" to cycle or just to cause an effect affect (
)? If so, damage is obviously not dealt but does any kind of effect take place?Par Exmaple:
1, Strike: Put this cord on the opposing minion... etc
2, Strike: hand strike at +2 damage, and the opposing minion cannot strike for the remainder of the round... etc (Pounce)
3, Strike with Bundi to prevent damage from an upcoming Dagger?
NC of Hungary
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01 Dec 2011 10:38 #16632
by Juggernaut1981
Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418
Replied by Juggernaut1981 on topic Re: Strikes at long range
IANPB but...
If the strike would not be effective at its current range, then any non-damage effects (e.g. not damage, not theft) would also be ineffective (i.e. the strike never landed so the additional effects don't hold either).
If the strike would not be effective at its current range, then any non-damage effects (e.g. not damage, not theft) would also be ineffective (i.e. the strike never landed so the additional effects don't hold either).
Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418
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01 Dec 2011 10:39 #16633
by Ankha
It would be better to answer to proper examples, but the fact that a strike can be used doesn't mean it's effective.
Eg., if you play Pounce at long range, it has no effect because it's not ranged.
If you strike with a Bundi at long range, it has no effect for the same reason.
Pounce
Cardtype: Combat
Discipline: Flight
Strike: hand strike at +2 damage, and the opposing minion cannot strike for the remainder of the round (this doesn't affect the current strike resolution). If this strike is dodged, this striking minion takes 1 damage during strike resolution and the opposing minion gets an optional press.
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Strikes at long range
Heys!
Can one use any kind of non-ranged strikes at long range assuming there's no restriction like "only usable at close range" to cycle or just to cause an effect affect (
Par Exmaple:
1, Strike: Put this cord on the opposing minion... etc
2, Strike: hand strike at +2 damage, and the opposing minion cannot strike for the remainder of the round... etc (Pounce)
3, Strike with Bundi to prevent damage from an upcoming Dagger?
It would be better to answer to proper examples, but the fact that a strike can be used doesn't mean it's effective.
Eg., if you play Pounce at long range, it has no effect because it's not ranged.
If you strike with a Bundi at long range, it has no effect for the same reason.
Pounce
Cardtype: Combat
Discipline: Flight
Strike: hand strike at +2 damage, and the opposing minion cannot strike for the remainder of the round (this doesn't affect the current strike resolution). If this strike is dodged, this striking minion takes 1 damage during strike resolution and the opposing minion gets an optional press.
Prince of Paris, France
Ratings Coordinator, Rules Director
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01 Dec 2011 10:52 #16635
by jamesatzephyr
Effects on the opposing minion don't happen.
[LSJ 20010630]
However, other effects that don't affect the opponent (or his equipment etc.) can occur. [LSJ 20081204]
Replied by jamesatzephyr on topic Re: Strikes at long range
Can one use any kind of non-ranged strikes at long range assuming there's no restriction like "only usable at close range" to cycle or just to cause an effect affect (
Effects on the opposing minion don't happen.
[LSJ 20010630]
> If Dagon's Call is used at long range, I assume that its additional
> effects do not apply, that is, the 1 unpreventable damage during the
> press phase. Reasoning being that the strike was not actually
> effective at that range, vis. Fleshcraft or Bonecraft as well.
Right. [6.4.3] makes this clear.
However, other effects that don't affect the opponent (or his equipment etc.) can occur. [LSJ 20081204]
>> 6.4.3
>> Resolve Strike. The effects of the strikes from both minions are
>> resolved simultaneously. *Most strikes are effective only at close
>> range. Unless the strike is identified as ranged or does "R" damage
>> (or is a defensive strike such as dodge or combat ends), it is only
>> effective at close range.* Ranged strikes and strikes that do "R"
>> damage can be used at any range, close or long.
>> (The key to this section would be interpreting what they mean by
>> "effective")
>> Lamb Into
>> Cardtype: Combat
>> Discipline: Fortitude/Potence/Vicissitude
>> Requires an anarch. Do not replace until after combat. Strike: hand
>> strike or use a melee weapon strike.
>> [for] This strike is at +1 damage, with an optional maneuver.
>> [pot] This strike is at +2 damage.
>> [vic] This strike is at +1 damage, with an optional press. If another
>> round of combat occurs, range is automatically close.
> You can definitely play close range strikes at long range (in fact,
> unless you have another strike card or ability or effect, you MUST
> declare a strike for hand damage).
Correct.
> However they have no effect at all.
Not quite true.
> You can play Lam Into to cycle a card, but it doesn’t actually do
> anything (including giving you a press or whatever).
It will give you a press at [vic] at long range.
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