Re: New Psyche and Telepathic Tracking

Name: Rötschreck
Cardtype: Master
Master: out-of-turn. Frenzy.
Put this card on a vampire when an opposing minion attempts to inflict aggravated damage on him or her, whether the damage would be successfully inflicted or not. Combat ends. This vampire is tapped and sent to torpor. This vampire does not untap as normal. During this vampire's next untap phase, burn this card.
Artist: Mike Danza

By Rötschreck's text, combat does end, unless players play a Sudden or Wash.
VtES doesn't have a stack of effects or a queue.
Combat ends.
If you rule that Psyche! can only be used inside combat, you can no longer use it here, because combat is not about to end. It ended already.

Brum wrote:

By Rötschreck's text, combat does end, unless players play a Sudden or Wash.
VtES doesn't have a stack of effects or a queue.
Combat ends.
If you rule that Psyche! can only be used inside combat, you can no longer use it here, because combat is not about to end. It ended already.

Hmm? Telepathic Tracking can be played against Rotschreck, as combat would be about to end. A rewritten Psyche would fit in the same slot.

[LSJ 20031002]

LSJ wrote:

Ruling on Telepathic Tracking says:
Superior Telepathic Tracking may interrupt the end of combat
produced by Rotschreck, which will cause the rest of Rotschreck's
effect to be lost (no torpor). [RTR 20020501]

Brum wrote:

By Rötschreck's text, combat does end, unless players play a Sudden or Wash.
VtES doesn't have a stack of effects or a queue.
Combat ends.
If you rule that Psyche! can only be used inside combat, you can no longer use it here, because combat is not about to end. It ended already.

There is always an End of Round window (the new window for Psyche), no matter how the round ends. If it was not the case, then you could not Taste a vampire going to torpor after strike resolution for example. It is in the general rulings too.

Pendargon wrote:

Sp, Marthe Dizzier can now return Psyche! played during combat ?

Yes. Happy New Year, Marthe!

Non-existant user wrote:

Brum wrote:

By Rötschreck's text, combat does end, unless players play a Sudden or Wash.
VtES doesn't have a stack of effects or a queue.
Combat ends.
If you rule that Psyche! can only be used inside combat, you can no longer use it here, because combat is not about to end. It ended already.

There is always an End of Round window (the new window for Psyche), no matter how the round ends. If it was not the case, then you could not Taste a vampire going to torpor after strike resolution for example. It is in the general rulings too.

Correct.
General Rulings :

Combat effects played at the end of a round/combat can be played when the round ends via S:CE or similar.

What's the difference then?
Combat is not about to end. It ended already.
Rötschreck's "Combat ends." part of the text apply before the use of Psyche!.
Since:
a. You can only use Psyche! in combat
b. You are no longer in combat

It appears to me that you can play Psyche! no longer.

I would like to see an explanation that carefully walks us through both Impulse and exact moments of card resolution and effects.

Pretty please.

It's in the Complete rule reference
www.vekn.net/index.php/complete-rules-reference
The real effect of Combat Ends is to jump directly to the end of the round. Although it is written only for Strike: Combat Ends, I guess it is the same for Rotschreck and other stuff like Alpha Glint.